"Prayer of St. Francis" Sebastian Temple....
  • canadashcanadash
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    This may be an impossible request but does anyone have a decent four part version of this?
  • francisfrancis
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    I have an SAB of the same prayer, but my own melody and composition.
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  • canadashcanadash
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    Oh, thanks Francis, but it is for my cousin's wedding this weekend and this is what she wants... Sebastian temple...
  • Decent four part version of Sebastian Temple's Prayer of St. Francis.

    Oxymoronic.

  • canadashcanadash
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  • CharlesW
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    canadash, weddings and funerals are often odd ducks. You get asked to do things that would rarely or never be requested for Sunday mass.
  • PaixGioiaAmorPaixGioiaAmor
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    The hymn isn't even that bad. I can think of many worse choices.
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  • CharlesW
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    As long as we keep in mind that St. Francis never saw or heard that prayer. It was first seen on the back of a holy card during World War I.
  • lagunaredbob
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    Here's one from a local here in Manila ... it is ttbb, but no SATB. (PDF)
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  • canadashcanadash
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    The hymn isn't even that bad. I can think of many worse choices.


    True, but there are so many better choices.
  • PaixGioiaAmorPaixGioiaAmor
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    I don't see a major difference between it and any other Catholic "traditional" hymn. I suppose you could do it badly, but I accompany it on the organ, and take it at a stately pace. It actually feels very reverent to me when we sing it.
  • chonakchonak
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    Can you slip a line into the program to note that St. Francis didn't write the prayer? Franciscan researchers have traced it to about 1915, when it was printed on the back of a French holy card with a picture of St. Francis.
    http://www.franciscan-archive.org/patriarcha/peace.html

    So it's more like the "Anonymous French Prayer inspired by St. Francis".

    This may be the Mark Hayes version mentioned above:
    http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/make-me-a-channel-of-your-peace-sheet-music/3696584
  • cmbearer
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    Chris, off topic, but was that okay for the podcast?


    melofluent, Yes it was great! I only wish we had more time.

    my remark was for Christ in Texas.
    !


    I don't know that I've ever been referred to like that! But if you'll see my last name, you'll realize that my full name is redundant, as Christopher means "Christ-bearer". This was how Fr. introduced me to the parish, when I began as DM here.

    My mother did play with the idea of calling me Paul, though...for about 2 seconds...

  • canadashcanadash
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    I would like to apologize for "thanking" the comment which made use of the term "oxymoronic". Although this is not my favourite hymn, it is alright and certainly not my least favourite. I think that a better setting than the one I am used to would also help. Terms like these do not show patience "about legitimate differences in personal taste," which is asked of us here. I would like to apologize for anyone who has been offended by this post, which certainly was never my intention and thank you for your help. Could the moderators please close this discussion, I don't think it is benefitting anyone. Merci.
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  • CharlesW
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    Somehow, this discussion went a little crazy. I will agree the song is not one of my favorites, either. But I have heard much worse. Haven't we all done things for weddings that we would not want to use for Sunday mass? I have gone along with some goofy things at weddings because I knew when I got them out the door, I would not have to deal with them again. ;-)
  • PaixGioiaAmorPaixGioiaAmor
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    I would submit that the only thing this hymn is guilty of is "guilt by association" with the 70s.
  • chonakchonak
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    I hope people don't mind, but I'm going to delete the argumentative stuff from this thread.

    I'm saving the current content for a few days in case anyone would like to preserve their remarks for some future use. For a copy of your comments, feel free to drop me a private note.

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  • Reval
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    Since it's the 100th birthday of this text, maybe someone should write a blog posting about how it's not actually by St. Francis. Blow the PIPs' minds...
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  • doneill
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    I don't know a good SATB version, but there is a good arrangement by Martin Neary in 2 parts, with the keyboard part re-harmonized and a good descant. He did it for Princess Diana's funeral as a request, as I recall. http://www.ocp.org/products/10762
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    I believe the Mark Hayes arrangement was used at the princess' funeral, IIRC.
  • doneill
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    Melo,

    That would be easy to assume, because the Mark Hayes arrangement mentions that the song was sung at Diana's funeral - but it wasn't his arrangement. Neary was the choirmaster at the time, and, not able to refuse a royal request for a tragic event, he made the best of it he could. By the way, there is no mention in the OCP citation above that Neary is the arranger, but it is indeed his.
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  • CGM
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    I wrote some new music for this text back in 2008. What had originally been intended as a straightforward SATB hymn took on a life of its own, blossoming into six-voice and eventually eight-voice writing à la Gene Puerling.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Doneill, the descant by the trebles was fabulous at the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales. http://youtu.be/eHVz45n5a9M
  • CatherineS
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    This hymn is enormously popular in Brazil, with a standard singable melody that everyone knows. Thanks for the suggestions of better melodies for the English version.

    Since this thread was last active in 2015, does anyone have any more recent efforts? The English versions I found on YouTube are too syrupy for my tastes. I'd like something 'traditional-hymn-style', to be sung unison.
  • CatherineS
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    I'll see if I can come up with a melody, too. :)
  • CatherineS
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    One difficulty is the lack of rhythm in the text. Hm. It sort of inhibits 'traditional-hymn-style'.

    This bit is particularly complicated grammatically as well as rhythmically:

    O Divine master grant that I may
    not so much seek
    to be consoled as to console

  • Caleferink
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    Have you looked at Peter Latona's version? https://www.morningstarmusic.com/peace-prayer-of-st-francis.html
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  • Fr. Quinn wrote a metrical paraphrase.
    Lord, Make Us Servants of Your Peace
    Author (attributed to): St. Francis, of Assissi; Paraphraser: James Quinn

    https://hymnary.org/text/lord_make_us_servants_of_your_peace
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  • Rob,

    Is that Archbishop Quinn?
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    It's Fr. James Quinn (1919-2010), a Scottish Jesuit priest. The hymn has been published with the tune O WALY WALY. Not particularly happy with the pairing of text and tune, I set it to my own arrangement of OLD HUNDREDTH.
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  • GambaGamba
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    Fr. Quinn’s text is set to the tune Dickinson College, by Lee Hastings Bristol, in the Episcopal Hymnal 1982. I think that is a really excellent pairing of text and tune, the latter being in a slow 5/4. The alternating groupings of 2s and 3s agree beautifully with the unusual text.

    https://www.riteseries.org/song/Hymnal1982/785/
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    I had forgotten about the DICKINSON COLLEGE setting which is better than the O WALY WALY setting. Shifting groups of 2s and 3s are a characteristic of my OLD HUNDREDTH setting, too, although not in the 5/4 mold.
  • chonakchonak
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    Does anyone have any more recent efforts?


    This isn't really recent, but since the thread was previously active I've stumbled on a copy of the original album performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I2jH3b_TXU
  • CatherineS
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    I like the Dickenson College setting and yours, Charles. Thanks for all the suggestions!!

    I do like that the old Sebastian Temple version is peppy, though I find it otherwise not very churchy.
    I am a fan of singing tunes with clarity and purpose, not with emotive Disney-ballad style. ;)
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  • davido
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    Thanks for digging that up Chonak. So glad I am too young to have had to consider converting to Catholicism in the 70s/80s.

    I really need to use that Dickinson College tune, as I live six blocks from the institution itself!
  • Chonak, that is hysterical. It is wonderful, perfect (for what it is) and awful all at the same time. It made me giggle. I can never un-hear that. This has led me down the rabbit hole that are his folk masses. Wow. Just... wow.
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Here is the Old 100th setting up a whole tone, in G (inadvertently, I had posted the one in F).
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