MatthewRoth

Monastic Compline - fully notated psalm settings
Have one cantor then. Or badger people about stepping up. Our congregation sings at Tenebrae because of this.

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Dividing the Improperia?
That’s what it is indeed.

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Dividing the Improperia?
The problem is that in the NO, you’re supposed to sing all of Crux fidelis, no? Which would be barbaric to not finish as it is a hymn. Honestly as much as it pains me to say it, you probably don’t have a congregation big enough to justify doing Goo…

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New arrivals
Our cathedral had 60+ people received into the church. I don’t know how many were baptized, but we are now seeing at least one baptism of an adult per year. My pastor does them separately, and as the person is either ready sooner or will not be read…

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Dividing the Improperia?
You go until the adoration concludes. I take this as the replacement of the cross on the altar. (And it should be a crucifix meant for the altar, not some giant thing for display or an empty cross, per the rubrics.) But you should end the text natur…

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What to do about this upsetting situation?
Yeah. Like you need the pastor to sign off on a funeral policy that has the specific places for music and you can prepare a second internal document to whip out if the supply priest whines. I also think that frankly your pastor needs to meet more …

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What to do about this upsetting situation?
You need either a new job or the pastor needs to lay down the law.

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Help Finding a Spanish/English Pew Missal
Well I’ve complained elsewhere here that ILP is still giving people new copies of hymnals with the old benediction rite and rather senselessly arranged; I’ve never seen a Catholic book with the text of Benediction not included at the end, or at leas…

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Gloria Patri sung by assembly at Introit?
Absolutely false. TBH I’ve done it now that my pastor says to do things like normal when we have the NO on rare occasions. However, not even Solesmes consistently does it; they omitted the doxology at Dom Kemlin’s abbatial blessing, for example. A…

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DEBATE: Prioritize scholas/choirs over cantors
I went to a funeral today at the Episcopal church where only their (terrific) organ scholar was there. Now, as a result so much was read and it was a eucharistic despite my friend’s family being Catholic as the 1979 imposes that as a default. So it …

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Gloria Patri sung by assembly at Introit?
In fairness it is ad lib and excluded from the actual chant even with the abbreviated form in the traditional style.

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Tips for candlelit liturgy
(which shouldn't have to be "fixed" to anything if the singers are being responsible and conscious of the potential hazard) I am told by someone that I ought to trust (and I do, it's just annoying that this is the advice) that …

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Rest in peace PP Francis
No worries. I am obviously frustrated but didn’t particularly take issue with what you said. It’s the comment above my last which made me have quite enough. Cardinal Pell also mentioned the contempt for contemplative life. May we be freed from this.

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Rest in peace PP Francis
Bishop Barron has criticized the pope in recent days. He is not a TLM person. I don’t think that we tolerate discussion of validity or liceity of the Pauline rite itself. Gosh, what a throwback to 2014, when the question turned on the meaning of a…

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Tips for candlelit liturgy
Unfortunately I don’t think that it’s possible for Tenebrae. I tried it. My eyes couldn’t see anything, and we were doing it in the morning, so the light was coming in, but it was so dark I couldn’t read anything during Lauds. If everyone has the fu…

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Request for informed opinion on chant short-hand: VERY TECHNICAL
Plange, on Saturday, also has a tritone in the same way, going back to the beginning of the piece. Which I should flesh out: the piece ends on the final, but then does a very non-chant thing by going to the first note on Si, giving us the tritone…

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DEBATE: Prioritize scholas/choirs over cantors
You need both. We have a Mass with only hymns plus the Marian antiphon. Normally no propers, it is a low Mass (NO). No one sings (I really don’t know why we bother) but it’s made worse in a way that there is just one singer who is quite good but, w…

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Rest in peace PP Francis
I guess I’m just not seeing, particularly in this thread, a lack of charity. And even so: this has been a hard twelve years. It’s not that anything goes, but more would go than usual. I have a problem in my own life where I try not to let people ont…

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Rest in peace PP Francis
Ironically, the pope himself, thanks to Cardinal Re, is going to be in that category. Indeed clerics usually are not prayed for like they ought to be; everyone thinks that they’re saints (which, lol, I hate to be mean, but there is an earnestness or…

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Programs for the Funeral Mass and Burial of Pope Francis
The identification of Palestrina reminded me. Martin Goldsmith had an excellent show today on SiriusXM (it’s worth a subscription just for weekend classical programming imho since you can listen anytime), and I didn’t even think to check in earlier …

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Homily Length?
@Gamba, the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest does its big novena before the Immaculate Conception feast and they suffer this problem, albeit where they would really not do it this way. At the seminary, and in some apostolates, they have…

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Antiphonale Romanum
Well there is an errata list in the back already. I would like @tomjaw’s list too. That would be helpful as I prefer to use the Liber antiphonarius to decide between things (I mostly work with Vespers and Compline, but occasionally I typeset Sext.) …

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Why no hymns at Pope Francis' funeral?
Well, the Gloria and Te Deum are also odd, in that they also aren’t what we come to call cantici. Puer natus in Bethlehem, O Filii et Filiae, etc. are examples of that in the Solesmes editions. So I would agree, we call the first (and maybe also the…

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Antiphonale Romanum
No, I don’t know when they’re taking orders. Not to push people on FB, but that’s where they’re posting apparently, so stay tuned there. I make booklets too in lieu of having copies of the antiphonal. And I want a full one, but it’s an imperfect bo…

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Why no hymns at Pope Francis' funeral?
I mean I’m not arguing, you’re characterizing this rather bizarrely. I’m disagreeing, but I don’t think that’s an argument or something to try to call me off from doing; forums do not work like that. I mean, I already explained my reasoning. But if…

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Antiphonale Romanum
I'm a musician, and particularly love chanting the Office, but the Liber Usualis only gets me so far. I'd like to be able to sing any hour of the Office every day, without having to get my laptop out or print off something from the various…

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Why no hymns at Pope Francis' funeral?
? I don’t think that it matters. Your way of looking at the Gregorian repertoire does not strike me as correct even if CNN is too narrow.

Comment by MatthewRoth April 2025 permalink
Why no hymns at Pope Francis' funeral?
Yeah, but it is telling that no one actually calls the Gloria a hymn. And then why do we have hymns, psalms, and spiritual canticles?

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Commentary Free online broadcast of the Pope’s funeral?
All of these Masses have a Vatican stream. The stream was set up as the usual webcam-style stream which switched to the cameras for the Mass, and then they had a separate Mass-only stream on YouTube.

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Antiphonale Romanum
We are very flexible here as to post tags. A reprint (in the sense that it is from the 1950s/60 revision) with a quality, ish, I hope, binding is coming soon. I will get this for want of something better. The Nocturnale of Sandhofe is also being r…

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