MatthewRoth

Maurice Duruflé, 1908 Graduale Romanum and LU in USA and France
I have no insights into how the differences between the Mocquereau and Pothier rhythmic interpretations were navigated. neither do I directly but this is where a trip to Solesmes is perhaps in order; much (I don’t think all, unfortunately, of Moc…

Comment by MatthewRoth July 6 permalink
Feast of St Joachim and Anne
You can sing basically anything that you want. It’s not a matter of strict interpretation or not. Since it’s in the GS, and it’s a bit of an odd feast (the Roman rite only recently combined the two, whereas the monastic version has been combined for…

Comment by MatthewRoth July 6 permalink
Ward Rhythm Syllables
So long as the downbeat parts of the lessons aren’t too strong. :)

Comment by MatthewRoth July 4 permalink
Ward Rhythm Syllables
One thing that I like about the Mocquereau method and therefore Ward (although I don’t actually know how to teach it, I just hear from those who do and who like it very much) is the whole-body experience without too much Zen (by which I mean boomer …

Comment by MatthewRoth July 4 permalink
The Church's ONE Foundation
I don’t think that the hymn implies that, independently of what Anglicans think about themselves, and, well, as much as I may hate to say it, the way that communio theology has taken hold means that baptism=part of the church, subject to the See of …

Comment by MatthewRoth July 3 permalink
The Church's ONE Foundation
So I like it a lot, having recently done a deep dive into the hymns that I know from my days in a conservative parish that also had the TLM and the ones that I could (potentially!) try out with the people here on occasions where the hymns are not cu…

Comment by MatthewRoth July 3 permalink
Homily Length?
25 minutes at the high Mass. My goodness.

Comment by MatthewRoth July 2 permalink
Alternation between chant and choral verses
Alternatim is quite traditional in the office. Your plan sounds fine.

Comment by MatthewRoth July 2 permalink
Homily Length?
No, considering the grand occasion, he wanted the VG to preach that long. I didn’t like it, but well, I understood the impulse.

Comment by MatthewRoth July 1 permalink
Homily Length?
When our church reopened, my pastor asked the vicar general to get to around thirty minutes (it was ridiculous in any case, and he barely got to 23). But at least it wasn’t during Mass.

Comment by MatthewRoth July 1 permalink
Homily Length?
About 3 or 4 times as much for me.

Comment by MatthewRoth July 1 permalink
Learning to sight-read on yout-tube.
I know of a director who has budgeted to help pay for voice lessons. I think that for some members, particularly in big cities where there are all sorts of musicians looking for extra teaching work, you could substitute other more specific kinds of …

Comment by MatthewRoth July 1 permalink
Which Sunday is this in the old calendar?
However, I won't be surprised if it's the Third Sunday after Pentecost for the 1:30 afternoon Mass There’s no way that they can be so dense as to miss that one of the great feasts of the sanctoral cycle outranks an ordinary Sunday, righ…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 29 permalink
Speeding up the salve Regina
Well the simple Salve is kind of just its own thing because it’s not that ancient But yeah, they do have their own annotations in the Solesmes family — although I’m told that they sometimes sing things in a chant where there is no note but it’s con…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 28 permalink
Which Sunday is this in the old calendar?
Yep. First class feasts outrank Sundays which are II class (previously semidouble)

Comment by MatthewRoth June 28 permalink
How to fit Faure Requiem into All Souls Day Mass NO
That suggests that he was the accompanist, but given what he actually composed (i.e. something not really usable at the high Mass), it’s not clear what he was actually doing (like, what I really want to know is what Mocquereau or even Pothier though…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 27 permalink
How to fit Faure Requiem into All Souls Day Mass NO
Was he? He wrote this setting after the refoundation of Solesmes but one wonders, as I alluded, what actual practice was.

Comment by MatthewRoth June 26 permalink
Mass Ordinary Seasonal Chnages
OK so there are a couple of things: The congregation needs to have a reasonable expectation of what to expect at a given Mass, because the church currently puts a premium on congregational participation for all/most/much of the Ordinary. So singing…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 26 permalink
Speeding up the salve Regina
Patrick’s point reminds me. I have given up with the Agnus Dei for the Requiem Mass; we hold the punctum of the final “em” because otherwise it becomes a battle. I added this to the ICRSP score via my iPad (I accept PayPayl/Venmo contributions for a…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 26 permalink
How to fit Faure Requiem into All Souls Day Mass NO
And after I wrote that article, Mgr Wadsworth pointed out that it was probably written to be sung over the low Mass, a custom which did not really survive into the 20th century as far as I can tell; this is in addition to the negative reception of t…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 25 permalink
How to fit Faure Requiem into All Souls Day Mass NO
I just would not do it unless you’re told to do it or have no scruples left to give. Not to stir the pot, but I think that it does not make a lot of sense.

Comment by MatthewRoth June 25 permalink
Hymn "Virgo, mater Ecclesiae"
well, it’s bizarre.

Comment by MatthewRoth June 25 permalink
Speeding up the salve Regina
I’ve heard that Benedictine novices don’t sing for at least a year in some communities, and I know that at Clear Creek, they all do the Laus in Ecclesia book, the first level, right away. Oddly, I’ve never heard that from Francophones at least in a…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 24 permalink
Hymn "Virgo, mater Ecclesiae"
@DCM that is the Marian tone; unless it has a proper melody (like Ave Maris Stella) everything in the same meter uses that tone for Marian feast days, in the preconciliar office, and it looks like the CDW and Solesmes made it happen for this feast, …

Comment by MatthewRoth June 24 permalink
Speeding up the salve Regina
I don’t trust musical instincts of congregations though. Maybe I should be more generous and forgiving but I’m increasingly aware of people who basically help rapidly transform practice and it’s not good.

Comment by MatthewRoth June 23 permalink
Papal remarks on polyphony and Palestrina
I understand what the point is. What you do not understand is that he did not make similar comments. He spoke about sacred music. But (and I repeat myself, again): Pope Francis never ever said a nice thing about this subject. He only spoke vaguel…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 22 permalink
Papal remarks on polyphony and Palestrina
Those are not similar comments.

Comment by MatthewRoth June 22 permalink
Papal remarks on polyphony and Palestrina
Those are not similar comments.

Comment by MatthewRoth June 22 permalink
Licensing terms of Nova Vulgata
The German bishops are insane (water is wet). But they should license it like ICEL does to those who come along in good faith to compose liturgical music. If you pay the fees and play ball, or at least try to play ball, they work with you, as far as…

Comment by MatthewRoth June 21 permalink
Phonetic Breakdown of Latin in Mass
One of the problems though is syllabification and certain clusters of consonants where the pre-conciliar guides are silent on the cluster in question but you can hear certain ensembles singing a certain way (not just Frenchies: our schola leader is …

Comment by MatthewRoth June 21 permalink

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