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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
CharlesW - Indeed "most folks attending the TLM before it became anything extraordinary" had little or no awareness of the Mass texts. They came because they were pious Catholics and the Church said they must. Their piety was sustained m…

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
If you are interested in Liturgy you have most likely gained it from attending the TLM. Not I! I was taught about the liturgy in the 1950s, and I served Mass weekly until 1963. But it was not until vernacularisation that I could listen to the prayer…

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
what treasures, pray tell us, were so locked up and hidden from us The ones the Council of Trent referred to (my emphases)Although the mass contains great instruction for the faithful people, nevertheless, it has not seemed expedient to the fathers…

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Salve Pater Salvatoris verses
St Joseph seems to have been popular earlier in Sicily and Southern Italy, and the Cantus database has little, or nothing, from there. Nothing in Analecta 48/49 or 54/55.

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Coped Cantors during EF Mass
Fortescue on Pontifical Mass at the Throne: four copes for the chaplains or servers who will hold the book, scotula, mitre, and crozier, the veils for the crozier and mitrebearers^ ^ They wear these veils under their copes Copes are not so much a s…

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Salve Pater Salvatoris verses
Adam of St Victor has a sequence Salve mater but not a Salve pater in Wrangham. The March 19th feast of St Joseph seems to have become universal only in 1570.

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Off-topic comments from other discussions
I saw a few days ago that Switzerland had passed a law banning face covering in public --- but it turned out to be a ban on the burqa.

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Asperges Me Copyright? (Spurious copyright claims on YouTube)
This is not a world in which I move, so maybe I am mistaken. But given the odium which mega internet companies are currently encountering, perhaps it is opportune to write to your legislators.

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
"active participation" does *not* mean talking/walking/moving/reading/etc. It means engaging in the liturgy with your heart and your brain. ✓ Raising your heart and mind to God.

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
Mass attendance has been falling, is this because we exclude so many from the Sacrifice of the Mass because they are uncomfortable with a one size fits all approach to active participation?Yes. It has been a failing of the Western approach for many …

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
If I can jump in on the Propers: the first two options for the Propers are Graduale Romanum, GR, and Graduale Simplex, GS. These are in Latin the Church's official music books, the chants of GR are for specialists, beyond the capacity of an unr…

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
I entirely agree on the importance of the congregation singing, but not neccessarily everything. The Missal now emphasises the congregation singing the Ordinary by including simple congregational chants in both English and Latin. But "in keepin…

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
CGZ my grandmother had an elementary education in rural Ireland in the 1880's. In the course of that she was taught 'Latin roots', enough that while she could not translate what the prayers said, she could say 'this is about the …

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
piccolopat - you need first to look at the official instructions! These changed (but not much) in 2011 when the new translation came in. You find them in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM). You can probably find it online, but Altar …

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
one or two simple pieces that are beyond reproach There are assemblies where no one present is capable of singing any of the music in the Missal, but it is uncommon. In my previous home parish, after I pointed out that the Alleluia† must either be s…

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
That reminds me - the topic of this thread! Our current hymn book omits one of my favourite verses, which seemed to me as a six year old under sporadic bombardment during WWII much the best verse of any Marian hymn we sang. And still seems the same …

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
francis - You won't get a conspiracy to work without secrecy, and the workings of the Consilium were, if not under continual media scrutiny, open to many including dissenters. Where you do find a conspiracy is in the 15 years before the Council…

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A Catholic Book of Hymns
Thanks, it's helpful to know your enemy by name! [Edited by admin: rather than quoting from the font's weird history here, I think it's better to just post a link to it so that readers can view it if they wish.] I had realised that …

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
It was Sheehan and his ilk that opened the floodgates. As I said Sheehan was acting in defiance of the Council documents. SC : 114. The treasure of sacred music is to be preserved and fostered with great care. Choirs must be diligently promoted, esp…

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
dad29 is right to point at the bishops. In Baltimore Cdl Sheehan banned any use of Latin, once the vernacular translation of the 1962 text was complete. While in Westminster and several other English dioceses every parish was required to have at lea…

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Saint Joseph in the Eucharistic Prayers
Just anecdotal but Glenstal Abbey used EPR1 tday at the conventual Mass, and did not mention St Joseph (21:10).

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
@packardgrrl - If you are thinking of hymns at Mass, you should realise that VII did not ask for hymns at Mass (apart from the Gloria), either traditional or 'touchy-feely'. And neither do the rubrics in GIRM, with the sole exception of an…

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Did Vatican II Open The Floodgates?
Yes, but no. There is the 1956 papal encyclical MUSICAE SACRAE 63. If hymns of this sort are to bring spiritual fruit and advantage to the Christian people, they must be in full conformity with the doctrine of the Catholic faith. They must also exp…

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Palm Sunday EF Passion - Short Form
The 1965 missal has that same rubric and translates (paraphrases) it as11. This gospel may be read instead of the passion in the second and third Masses of priests who binate or trinate.

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A Catholic Book of Hymns
I am sorry to say Lovely job? NO!

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A Catholic Book of Hymns
Tangential question - What is the name of that typeface?

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Entrance Antiphon Hymns Project (mostly) completed
There are indeed some puzzling lines in scripture, and many of them in Revelation. Understanding verbs, and translating tenses adequately is a particular difficulty. It's worse with Hebrew but Greek also present problems particularly with the a…

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Suggestions for training psalmists
with whom are the eyes supposed to be in contact?I would say that the most important element of eye contact is not for the cantor to signal to the congregation but for the cantor to be aware of the congregation. If I direct my singing to somebody I …

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Suggestions for training psalmists
I see this comment on the forum 10 years ago by Noel Jones, about Respond & Acclaim - My dislike of them is that music directors arrive at a parish charged by the pastor to improve things. The psalms are being sung, badly, by the cantors. Attemp…

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Calling it quits from my church
Perhaps we should consider this from the view of Msgr. Kroetsch , he became diocesan Liturgy Director 40 years ago, and has been promoting his vision of Pastoral Liturgy ever since, from 35 years ago at national level. And yet outbreaks of revolt co…

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