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All Souls on a Sunday - Gloria and Credo
That’s logical enough, but the rubrics should, you know, say that. They don’t. I don’t see why Masses for the dead should retain the Alleluia, which is not necessarily a problem with respect to the color, if violet is worn, since it’s said in Advent…

Comment by MatthewRoth September 2 permalink
Question: What is "true" Gregorian chant? Solesmes vs. Roman
I might not go so far as your director, and I usually just don’t talk about competing approaches to avoid disparagement or needless arguments, but I think that there are ways of singing which are presented as being “more correct” than Solesmes, the …

Comment by MatthewRoth September 2 permalink
All Souls on a Sunday - Gloria and Credo
. It's one of those things where the order of precedence in its particulars is not necessarily clearly engaged in more general To that point @Liam there are some specific issues with Saturday Vespers and evening Masses that the table of pre…

Comment by MatthewRoth September 2 permalink
History of Liturgical Music during the Romantic Era (~1800-1910)
Lambillotte, for sure. Widor might not be most known for choral works, but he wrote sacred choral music in addition to the organ works for which he’s probably best known, and he and Franck have dueling views on the use of the organ at Mass (in a wa…

Comment by MatthewRoth September 2 permalink
Books on Changing Voices
Also the Catholic Institute of Sacred Music will have an online session in three parts later this year. (Just ctrl+F search for changing voices.)

Comment by MatthewRoth September 2 permalink
All Souls on a Sunday - Gloria and Credo
This is what we did last time that I attended All Souls on Sunday in the NO. @a_f_hawkins but the ordines do not agree. Some have the Gloria and Creed, others just the Creed, and others neither. (I think that the middle position is what should be d…

Comment by MatthewRoth September 1 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
I find it a bit disheartening that the OP, asking feedback for his program for a baptism, should meet comments like ‘the liturgy being sung as a norm does not extend to baptisms’ or ‘it doesn’t allow for active participation in a meaningful way’ whe…

Comment by MatthewRoth September 1 permalink
All Souls on a Sunday - Gloria and Credo
Yeah, it's like how a feast in the TLM that uses the common preface for want of its own takes the Trinity preface when it is celebrated on a Sunday. or it gets a Credo because it doesn't have one (this happens basically never post-1960, un…

Comment by MatthewRoth September 1 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
I couldn’t possibly say what principles were used to compile the rite, in part because the rest is so glaringly different from the rite that is apparently good enough only for Francis Ford Coppola, but it seems patently obvious that “pastoral experi…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 30 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
They really recommend not just covering, but actually pausing the rite in several places for the singing of merely devotional music Yes. That’s a succinct way of putting it. Most of the places where the ritual, not just diocesan guidance, says tha…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 30 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
As I said above: Baptism is also weird because, well, it doesn’t allow for active participation in a meaningful way, and the attendance of the faithful as a large community is also questionable. The renewal of baptismal promises (which is suspect a…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 29 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
Well you went off about something that you got wrong. But song is external to the celebration! It’s not like the Mass or the Office, or even other rites, where texts and music are prescribed and where they ought to be sung! At the very least, you h…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 29 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
@smvanroode nothing in the rite itself should be sung is not the same as singing at baptism which is what the book says may be done. You twisted that very important point. Repeating the Praetonanda is not an argument. It’s just asserting that activ…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 29 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
But only if you’re completely cut off from the tradition, which is the other problem. Nothing in the rite itself should be sung. It’s clearly something cooked up in a lab by people with no pastoral experience. Baptism is also weird because, well, …

Comment by MatthewRoth August 29 permalink
Cathedrals banning Latin is still a thing (unfortunately). (NOTE: Correction below.)
Well Liam I never fail to snark at Buffalo as a Pats fan. :)

Comment by MatthewRoth August 29 permalink
New Eucharistic Adoration Rite
TBF I don’t think that it was ever explicitly required. It is lauded as sort of the reposition chant par excellence but you may legitimately sing any number of any other Latin or vernacular chants.

Comment by MatthewRoth August 29 permalink
Cathedrals banning Latin is still a thing (unfortunately). (NOTE: Correction below.)
Hamilton, like Buffalo, should be abolished. Let the reader decide if I only mean the episcopal sees.

Comment by MatthewRoth August 28 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
If by "norm" you mean legislative norm, this is not true. In fact, the Order of Baptism of Children, while stating why one might well want to include baptisms at Sunday Mass, also says "this should not happen too often" (III.9).…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 28 permalink
Cathedrals banning Latin is still a thing (unfortunately). (NOTE: Correction below.)
It’s just a lot of things and it winds up being better than the alternative, to the point where I’m a bit worried that Leo won’t ever return to seasonal ordinaries outside of Lent and maybe Advent at the papal Masses

Comment by MatthewRoth August 28 permalink
Eastertide choir burnout?
It does. But yeah, you probably need to temper expectations for these extra last minute things.

Comment by MatthewRoth August 28 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
Because frankly it’s a lot of work, the norm is for baptisms to be within the Mass (this is hardly traditional, but the NO inserts all of the sacraments except penance into the Mass) so there is no need for more music, and in most cases it’s a lot o…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 28 permalink
Cathedrals banning Latin is still a thing (unfortunately). (NOTE: Correction below.)
Now you just need to get him hooked on the rotation (I personally have different preferences but the Vatican Basilica rotates seasonally and on feasts, which is good!)

Comment by MatthewRoth August 28 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
@trentonjconn is correct. Music is, like, allowed in the new ritual, but why? If you are set on this…then do what pleases you. I can hardly think of anything that I would want to do less as a church musician than sing at the baptism of anyone, or ar…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 28 permalink
Choral Christmas Mass Ordinary
That’s really nice. We can’t use it for reasons but maybe one day in some years from now… I like the preference for the Gloria IV incipit.

Comment by MatthewRoth August 27 permalink
Eastertide choir burnout?
Also I don’t know how I would do it if I had hymns (in parts even), polyphony or other motets etc. We really are just the schola. But when I can get ahead and then cancel a practice or exceptionally move it to another day I do it. (I move practice …

Comment by MatthewRoth August 26 permalink
Eastertide choir burnout?
Well, hope that the pope stays alive for one. I am a big fan of non-HDO Masses with just chant and no sermon. I know that this pencils out differently for me in trad land; but we get most of the guys in just the schola to come, and it’s a relief! O…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 26 permalink
Hymn to St. Philomena: please critique!
I would leave all of the text in roman type! The convention is to italicize the other language when you print 1-2, 1-2 such as the O Salutaris or Tantum ergo.

Comment by MatthewRoth August 25 permalink
Hymn to St. Philomena: please critique!
I would adjust « strength-ened ». Use the horizontal feature in the Properties tab (under Appearance). It must be used judiciously, and I mean it. It can cause unexpected problems (including remaining when you change the alignment…I don’t know why t…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 25 permalink
Antiphonale Romanum (2009) question
This isn’t theft of IP and if you can’t contribute the photo then it’s not a worthy contribution to this forum. Like, it’s just slander at that point. (If you had left it at the copyright, I think that I’d still be mad, but you go on to criticize it…

Comment by MatthewRoth August 23 permalink
Recordings of pre-Gregorian chant ?
Patrick, I know how you feel, but even so, I think that it’s obvious that chant doesn’t live in amber, nor is it something that academics can or should constantly fiddle with — doubly so when the musicologists don’t actually seem to believe or wish …

Comment by MatthewRoth August 22 permalink

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