MatthewRoth

"O Lamb of God" - is it licit?
The lack of relative clauses is annoying, because it takes away from the connection forged between the preceding noun ("Agnus Dei" and, in the Gloria, "Filius Patris."), and it also lightly changes the emphasis by telling God wha…

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Why do some people hate Gregorian chant?
Yeah, tomjaw made my point for me: the treatment of the text is based on Latin, not Greek. The Hebrew letters are read in the Lamentations of Tenebrae as Latin words, taking absolutely no account of the Hebrew pronunciation. Anyway, the reason tha…

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Why do some people hate Gregorian chant?
There is a sense in which yes, the Kyrie is composed of Greek words, but it's made of Greek words that are borrowed into Latin. indeed I would venture that it's relatively rare that a given setting of the ordinary is so extraordinary tha…

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Why do some people hate Gregorian chant?
while preaching, he explain various liturgical actions or prayers which are part of the celebration of Mass, no? On top of this Christine Mohrmann's Liturgical Latin is essential reading, and one can easily find any number of master's and…

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Why do some people hate Gregorian chant?
And the RSV-2CE does have the full Catholic canon, hence the CE = Catholic Edition. It doesn't, unless I'm missing something. The translation of certain books does not match the Vulgate or the Septuagint as the Hebrew was the point of dep…

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Why do some people hate Gregorian chant?
I might be wrong, but the English-Speaking world has quite a few good English Bibles, among which are the KJV, the DR and the current RSV-2CE (for those who prefer Modern English). Yes, that's just it. The KJV is not a translation of the Vulga…

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Why do some people hate Gregorian chant?
Yeah, but that gets us back to square one: which text?. In any case, and this is my real point, I think that the Palmer-Burgess method of adapting the text to the melody and only rarely vice-versa might be unsuccessful musically, but it acknowledge…

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Why do some people hate Gregorian chant?
By the way, this could be one of the reason why so many people won't hear about attempts to make vernacular plainsong, because they don't think about the texts being the same, they only tink about the melodies being different. well, the …

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Bishop in Arkansas .... can someone square this circle?
also, one can find flaws in basically all of the counting, etc. and think that the virus must be taken seriously, particularly as it seems obvious to everyone but politicians and their closest friends that we needed to prepare for either a second wa…

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Bishop in Arkansas .... can someone square this circle?
IMHO, there's a big difference between visiting the homebound (assuming the priest cannot visit everyone from his parish) and giving communion at Mass. A few, select, particularly holy souls to visit the sick is one thing. The problem is tha…

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Bishop in Arkansas .... can someone square this circle?
Well, not entirely in accord with Catholic teaching, but I don't have much time for "Judas bishops" rhetoric either. That is, most bishops, and many American bishops, do not understand the common good (they need to reread St Thomas an…

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Bishop in Arkansas .... can someone square this circle?
yet the faithful were never deprived of the sacraments. Indeed, but even if it weren't true, and the people were deprived of last rites and confession indefinitely, shouldn't we be embarrassed that we have to do this in 2020 and now 2021…

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Baccalaureate Mass Lineup - When I Survey the Wondrous Cross....
It's very nice, but it comes off as extremely Protestant and not really appropriate for Mass. That is, not only are the text and musical form very Protestant, this isn't even on the top ten list of pieces familiar to Catholics. Sure, sur…

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Bishop in Arkansas .... can someone square this circle?
I'm sorry, but this is a blatant strawman. I don't see how political views, whether secular or liturgical, have the slightest relevance to agreement with COVID prevention measures. It's not a blatant strawman (and spare me; you'…

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Prayers: Pastor of St. Eugene-St. Cecilia arrested for Covid violations; under canonical review too
The tl;dr is that the parish is adding Masses, that the person who made the accusations isn't acting in good faith, that the accusations are misleading, false, and calumnious, and that in general the church is more strict than the government an…

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Prayers: Pastor of St. Eugene-St. Cecilia arrested for Covid violations; under canonical review too
Well, we'll see. SESC was pretty obviously targeted because it is trad, and I don't want to question the archbishop or anything, but it's upsetting that the CEF and archdiocesan spokespersons totally unloaded on the church only for ev…

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Bishop in Arkansas .... can someone square this circle?
Before I go on what might seem to be an incoherent rant, I'd point out that a conservative pastor, who is surely vaccinated already (or will be soon) due to his status as a member of the clergy, could phase out EMHCs this way, particularly for …

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Isaac's Choralis Constantinus
Are Introit verses ad libitum as I imagine them to be for less predictable processions like Communion? To come back to this point, or rather the communion point: singing the Communion chant at the beginning of Communion, after the Ecce Agnus Dei a…

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Live stream and careers
I think it would be wise for every parish to delete videos of ordinary Masses from the online library or YouTube channel after no more than two months. Really, who is going to watch a Mass from January or February again? A lot of people. It's …

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Gregorian chant originates from ancient Jewish psalmody?
Indeed, the sample given by madorganist illustrates that the tonus peregrinus did, in fact, develop from the ancient Jewish chant for In exitu Israel. It is sung to this day by Jews in the hinterlands of Yemen I like to think this is true, but the …

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For those wishing to argue about the liturgical reform and.....
Chris: Matthew, Protestants wield the temporal sword, if I understand you correctly, not because they impose theocratic institutions but because, being Protestants, they can't wield the sword they don't have? Protestants wield the temp…

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Try not to laugh at this rendition of the Exsultet
In fact, I basically think that for as much as livestreaming is interesting, particularly when it is of high-quality, though that does not mean perfect or highly stylized: I'd rather watch Saint-Eugène-Sainte-Cécile than the suburban parishes w…

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For those wishing to argue about the liturgical reform and.....
If the spiritual sword were to have dominated the temporal sword at the founding of the USA ... Catholic would not be here, as it would have been a Genevan sword, not a Roman one. LARPing is exactly what this is about. Stop. You're just embarr…

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For those wishing to argue about the liturgical reform and.....
Nah, it's just anti LARPing Rome 1846 adorned with shabby pretense. A rather lazy remark. It's not about LARPing or shabby pretense, as much as I might admire the Holy Roman Empire or the Ancien Régime; that the temporal sword must submi…

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Prayers: Pastor of St. Eugene-St. Cecilia arrested for Covid violations; under canonical review too
By the way, their detention is quite serious; there's no real equivalent in Anglo-American law; either you have to cough something up and charge, or you have to give them up. In any case, it signals the government's intention to charge you…

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A Trouble With This Forum
If you have serious musical questions or compositions to share, go call three or four of your buddies and talk to them; that's about as many people on this forum as are actually going to pay your work any heed, anyway." I think that this …

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For those wishing to argue about the liturgical reform and.....
Ah, yes, so we should just let governments do what they want, while asking them nicely to not do bad things? This is exactly what liberalism has gotten us. It was clear that in France the king, not the pope, was head of the Church. Well, obvious…

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For those wishing to argue about the liturgical reform and.....
It's not worth very much to me.

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Memorizing the Psalter
Gallican psalter, ergo, from a pre-1946 edition of the breviary; after that date, it's more likely to have the Bea psalter or the neo-Vulgate, though new printings have thankfully left the Bea psalter where it belongs.

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For those wishing to argue about the liturgical reform and.....
I don't know Pink be he is quite wrong on this. The emperor had all the power and the popes had none. For example, councils were called and their edicts decreed by the emperor, not the pope. If the emperors were still around and held sway, the …

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