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Our Lady of Guadalupe - Credo?
Our Lady gets the Credo except on Saturdays (and at votive Masses although some forms of the Rorate indult had a Credo). And she’s either a patron or secondary patron of the places where she was inscribed in the calendar (continental patrons are not…

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Music for the Jubilee Year
Not that "All Rights Reserved" really means much, because the Buenos Aires Convention isn't in force anymore (in fact the current norms are that no notice is required for protection to be granted, except where domestic law requires it…

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Why does the church allow the 4 options during the propers
You get the point? Start learning the Gregorian propers now, if you haven't already. It might take a bit of time to be fruitful but it will one day. But you have to start at some point. Not to be naive, because I realize that there are politi…

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Music for the Jubilee Year
Well…maybe. The Holy See is not really consistent, but the lack of a copyright symbol does not mean anything except that if someone were to abuse the generosity of the Holy See, it would have to register in a country such as the USA before receiving…

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Which Gregorian Credo is the best?
I’ve never heard II in the wild. Maybe the SSPX used it more in some places. But yes, not including II would serve to exclude it for whatever reason. I don’t think that VI or VII are more popular. They’re all pretty much relegated to novelties at m…

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Which Gregorian Credo is the best?
Well my guess is that it’s the underlying reason for it being less popular and therefore its lack of popularity led to its exclusion. That said, I am comfortable with using Credo V with a congregation rather than making III a seasonal credo (my ide…

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How to alter staff lines in Gregorio?
Yeah. That works nicely; though I am strongly considering removing MS 3.6.2 and keeping 4 but using 3.7 Evolution for certain bits. Stuff like “can’t silence voices in one click from a mixer” which happens with 4 due to the redesigns is really ineff…

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Easy Kyriale combinations for congregation?
XI or IX; the Gloria of IX has quite the range but I still find it easier than VIII in some ways (there is a jerky start and stop between double bars of VIII). My solution to both is alternatim, but if you can start with women at “Et in terra” for I…

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Easy Kyriale combinations for congregation?
Yeah. But actually singing Mass VIII with a congregation can be another story. We do it by force of habit and not necessarily because it’s the best intro to a Gregorian ordinary. And really, this is the advantage of working with people who start si…

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Easy Kyriale combinations for congregation?
I agree about VIII. I personally keep Masses intact. Our rotation: 1 on Sundays of Easter (including the vigil and then Pentecost if the Mass isn’t polyphonic; I’d personally rather do II on that day but not my call). IV on major feasts of Our L…

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The restoration of the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris
It was repaired or in repairable shape. The thing about the Lustiger altar is that it’s shaped like a Romanesque altar. The sculpture elements do it no favors. The material is ugly. But because it was installed by Cardinal Lustiger, people could ge…

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The restoration of the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris
Yeah. They cleaned it. But the lighting also seems to be improved.

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Song of Farewell and In Paradisum
But then the gradual is more specific, so.

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Song of Farewell and In Paradisum
Well which Libera Me? The real one? Because the gradual is in conflict on this point. And is this explicit in the Latin only or also in the English translation? And I just checked: the Ordinariate preserves the “real” Libera Me. The NO doesn’t.

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Song of Farewell and In Paradisum
It’s rather that the Subvenite replaces the Libera Me (the one which is always done at the coffin or catafalque and during the full Matins as the ninth responsory). The Subvenite is thus displaced from the entrance and the Libera Me is omitted entir…

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“Please help me understand” by Aurelio Porfiri
Well, that gets to my point even if we don’t necessarily agree on where to draw the line. He asks this question, seemingly without realizing that even in the best case, we may not be able to rely on professionals for whatever reason, good, bad, and …

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“Please help me understand” by Aurelio Porfiri
Sure. But it’s a straw man to set up “professional (European) choirs” versus “bad choirs that also do bad music” when you can answer his question by focusing on why NihilNominis does what he does and why I have long had an aversion to pro directors …

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“Please help me understand” by Aurelio Porfiri
Yes. But you want volunteers. You don’t hate parishioners. You can take negative feedback. I’ve met plenty of directors who hate volunteers, who hate any negative feedback, no matter how it’s expressed. They become nasty and vile to the point where …

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How to alter staff lines in Gregorio?
Oh boy, you’ve been missing out. Join the https://groups.google.com/g/gregorio-users ">mailing list.

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Medieval Choir book page
Didacus=Diego.

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The Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Universe - What are you singing in vespers?
Controversial only if you deny the subordination of the temporal power to the spiritual and that the temporal power has certain obligations neglected or even outright denied under liberalism. The psalmody is interesting then as the Roman office ins…

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How to alter staff lines in Gregorio?
Fr Samuel would know if this is possible.

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Full time vs. Part time
Really, 10-13 and more like 8-10 since so much time would be devoted to Mass and immediate preparation.

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Help helping another religious community
Do we know what she’s playing? Regardless of style, there are a couple of treatises which could be printed and sent via FedEx. I assume that she has some musical theory knowledge. Otherwise beyond the chords it can be hard to make heads or tails of …

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Palestrina 2025
I only copy the best of ideas, sir. :)

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New General Manager of the CMAA
Many thanks to Janet. And hello, Alysia!

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Choir Sitting for Eucharistic Prayer?!
Then you can’t receive. It’s one thing to have coffee in the loft at the later Masses. It’s quite another to receive!

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Choir Sitting for Eucharistic Prayer?!
At the Latin Mass we never knelt with priest and congregation at the “incarnation” while singing the credo, nor did we kneel at the start of the Sanctus because we were singing. We always knelt for the Eucharistic prayer and stood to sing the Agnus…

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Choir Sitting for Eucharistic Prayer?!
singing. At the TLM (where the universal Church's posture rules only apply to vested choirs in sanctuary) Repeating the same thing without a citation does not make it more true. The Caeremoniale Episcoporum is clear: the posture does apply t…

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Your Favorite Christmas Carol? "Sacred Miscellany" wants to know
I don't know, the last verse is an obvious reference to John 1, ps. 98 is the last psalm of Christmas Matins, it's about the coming of the King…am I missing something? We place the Infant in the crèche after Vespers concluding with O Litt…

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