Andrew_Malton

Start of "Choir Season" - First rehearsals...
What a lot of interesting things going on in your choirs.

Comment by Andrew_Malton September 2013 permalink
Responsorial Psalm
And the ideal was what, the recitation of a whole psalm? and the Gradual is to be understood as a deviation? A departure from the ideal way? Of course changes occur over time, that's the glory of art and history, not to mention liturgy. But yo…

Comment by Andrew_Malton September 2013 permalink
Responsorial Psalm
"Corruption" is the wrong word, to the point of outrage. If you know anything at all about the repertoire, however could you call the Graduals "corruption"? It means "rotting".

Comment by Andrew_Malton September 2013 permalink
SCG Antiphon/Psalm Order?
Rice's Gradual presents the Entrance and Communion antiphons first, with verses below, to be sung in the usual way. For the Offertory it is different, as explained in the introduction. The Roman Offertory chant is not patterned the same way a…

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
Stages of life and our profession
"Lead me to the rock that is higher than I." I would rather be with St Sisoes on my deathbed, than desire integrity and freedom from regret.

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A Metrical Responsorial Psalm for the 20th Sunday in Ordinary Time / C
In Canada our whole lectionary is based on the NRSV, with recogniti corrections to its numerous mistranslations. However it does retain many Standard turns of phrase. And it is quite chantable in plainsong. I should know, I have set the whole lectio…

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FLASH MOB (forum) SURVEY : Forum Color Scheme
Yay, thanks, we're back. I feel like I just cleaned my glasses.

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FLASH MOB (forum) SURVEY : Forum Color Scheme
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FLASH MOB (forum) SURVEY : Forum Color Scheme
Sorry.

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
Greensleeves: tune variants
CHG's number two: "dorian" mode except for the cadence, is my preference. I associate the minor-mode version (CHG 6) with What Child Is This, and not Greensleeves at all Matthewj are you thinking of the RECTO TONO variant of this mel…

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
Musicam Sacram: Gregorian Chant should have pride of place in liturgy when it is celebrated in Latin
I had no intention of writing ironically. "Active participation" has under the influence of "full conscious and" come to denote "good" liturgical participation, however that may be for the speaker. But originally ("…

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Guilty Pleasures
Shepherd Me, O God Becker's litany How Great Thou Art Portuguese rosé Chocolate "Cherry Blossom" Wouldn't use them at liturgy though.

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Musicam Sacram: Gregorian Chant should have pride of place in liturgy when it is celebrated in Latin
It's ironic all right. Look what St Pius originally wrote.

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Musicam Sacram: Gregorian Chant should have pride of place in liturgy when it is celebrated in Latin
I guess "well known" is a bit of a stretch! but the rest is true. Singing the pertinent responses (and paying sufficient attention to know when to) is what actuosa p was originally meant as. I was, yes, thinking about the propers. The ord…

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Musicam Sacram: Gregorian Chant should have pride of place in liturgy when it is celebrated in Latin
Not that time. If you sing Latin propers, the faithful understand that they should participate by listening. This has been true in the Latin church for something over 1,300 years. I also have no problem with such stuffing, or other ways to mix Gr…

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
Musicam Sacram: Gregorian Chant should have pride of place in liturgy when it is celebrated in Latin
Gregorian chant at a vernacular Liturgy excludes the faithful from active participation by singing (which is the primary meaning of a.p. as is well known). That's why I said it was incongruous. Better is to sing vernacular plain song which is i…

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Musicam Sacram: Gregorian Chant should have pride of place in liturgy when it is celebrated in Latin
Gregorian chant is a particular sacred repertoire. Sometimes it's obligatory (in the old rite at least) and more often not, but there is no doubt what it *is*. When the documents say Gregorian that's what they mean, and adding "when i…

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Musicam Sacram: Gregorian Chant should have pride of place in liturgy when it is celebrated in Latin
I keep coming back to what I learned reading Christopher Page, namely that the progressive "silencing" of lay singing participation (during the middle centuries of the first millennium, and thereafter), which is unmistakeable in the histor…

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Celebration of Mass (1964) - Supplement
I don't think there were very many pagan priests by the fourth century, but I suppose some of them might have converted, and I hope so. As for the rest, no, no, yes, yes, yes, and yes. And it may be part of our founding myth but it is also his…

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
Celebration of Mass (1964) - Supplement
No, it is perfectly consistent. Christ offers himself to the Father. Christ prays to the Father for us, for the Church. The ministry of the priest is never "to the people" during the liturgy. Also, there is no evidence that Catholic …

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
What is the role of cantor?
I am a little doubtful about how well it fits with the ritual though. The more I think about it the more it seems as though the congregation should be encouraged to repeat the antiphon even if the verses are sung by a single voice. In this way it is…

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
What is the role of cantor?
If there is no choir, only a cantor, then the GIRM proposes that the cantor's role is to encourage congregational singing, presumably by singing the congregational parts confidently and perhaps visibly (at the lectern, or, sigh, with a discreet…

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Forum color scheme
Quasi convivium vices

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
Thinking about hymns
Adam: yes. All the weird ones I can think of which are also sound, poetic etc are along the lines of Kathy's sample (bowels move!) namely those which need to avoid a weird change in the language. "All in white shall wait around." I …

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
Thinking about hymns
I want an example of a weird hymn that has already passed the preceding tests.

Comment by Andrew_Malton August 2013 permalink
The past was like Sodom?
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Comment by Andrew_Malton July 2013 permalink
The past was like Sodom?
Do not look back, especially with regret, at the sins you have turned from. That is the perennial meaning of the story of Lot's wife. Christ alludes to it (Luke 17) and Augustine somewhere in City of God, and lots of other writers. O foolish Ga…

Comment by Andrew_Malton July 2013 permalink
What makes some songs acceptable for use in church, and others not?
makes sense at the point in Mass where it should be performed, and contains no texts contradicting Church teachings; and is performed at the proper time, according to the rubrics in the Roman Missal Lugsury! We yoosed te drëeam of havin' muusi…

Comment by Andrew_Malton July 2013 permalink
Using the Missal for the Introductory Rites
Slightly more to the musica sacra point, albeit not the original question, I would like to know 4) if the music of the introductory rites is actually sung, and if so how much, up to where?

Comment by Andrew_Malton July 2013 permalink
Haugen and Haas psalm settings
In my opinion, adapting a gospel acclamation for the psalm would be fine provided the psalm text was used. However, the Gregorian alleluias which are sung as the Gradual during Eastertide (surely the reason why the Paschal responsorial psalms have t…

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