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We Songs
One of the criteria I use is that "we songs" are typically not good -- songs that focus on us/we instead of on God and his action in us. I think you are spot on in your observation. Texts that proclaim or brag about what we do as Gods peop…

Comment by francis April 2025 permalink
Happy 340th Birthday J.S. Bach
I also prefer St John Passion

Comment by francis April 2025 permalink
Happy 340th Birthday J.S. Bach
Two renditions This one has to be right up there as being one of the best performances I’ve ever heard https://youtu.be/W6PzceNJom8?si=dfDrzAmofTNXkK92 And the more modern piano… https://youtu.be/H2OQh9Cg7fk?si=X-EB1G4uehwxsA9O

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
“It’s easy to mistake emotional manipulation for a movement of God, right?”
I think my view of the text being “primary” is that the chant has arisen out of the very liturgical language and practice of singing the Psalms (from perhaps a very rudimentary and simpler form at one point) and prayers; and perhaps not in the liter…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
“It’s easy to mistake emotional manipulation for a movement of God, right?”
@MatthewRoth Do you mean this one? https://youtu.be/4DNYqzkSKiA?si=AqPxLJZfjpOIIl57

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
“It’s easy to mistake emotional manipulation for a movement of God, right?”
@Liam I suspect they did not have mosh pits at those events. Tis lovely music!

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
New Flooring in the Choir Loft
We just installed a brand new hardwood floor (beech I think) in our choir loft. It really is the best option I think because it’s easier on the posture, not a hard reflection, it looks absolutely stunning and is refinishable. https://www.junckersha…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
“It’s easy to mistake emotional manipulation for a movement of God, right?”
Yes, I totally agree about the oversimplification of the modes as attached to an 'emotion' or the such. It is just a generalization that my students described when I played the two arpeggiated chords. Western music has lost the sense of th…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
On a lighter note: I just could not resist chanting this one boy what a sad bunch we are trying to be conjoined twins.

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
Et al If Fr. Ruff is a modernist, is not PK a schismatic? IMVHO, we have no business calling a particular person a “this” or “that”. You may speak of the message of such as leaning one way or another, but labeling a person a particular “brand” of C…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
2002 Missale Romanum, Editio Typica Tertia Emendata (2008) That is the officially promulgated standard and liturgical norm for the Roman Church right now. And what of those who use the 1962 or before? Is it officially promulgated? Is it a standard…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
I don’t intend to open Pandora’s box here You did not open Pandora’s box. It was opened in the last century. are we living in the same world? I believe there are presently the facsimile of two worlds. Many of us straddle both. Some remain only in on…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
Straining a Gnat and Swallowing a Camel At what point do you draw the line when there are so many options that the options completely negate ALL the rules, and ultimately the very heart of the liturgy? Metaphor Religion is the face of the church. …

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
Wow… and, super wow.

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
“It’s easy to mistake emotional manipulation for a movement of God, right?”
Do not get married based on how you “feel”! Totally the wrong reason. CORRECTION What I really meant to say here was do not get married, based ONLY on how you feel. It is of course, obvious that emotions are a part of human psyche.

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
@trentonjconn I see your “point”, but could you elaborate a little bit more?

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
OK, just for an excersize, let's play the devils advocate. If you had to have mass in your basement because you're no longer allowed to have mass in a church, what is the barebones music you would include for Sundays and high Holydays? Re…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
@ServiamScores Gift of finest meat… love it! But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely ha…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
“It’s easy to mistake emotional manipulation for a movement of God, right?”
I recently read that Gregorian chant is music that is totally of the spirit, melody appeals to the emotions, and rhythm appeals to our base instincts (lower gut?) I don’t know if this is a hard and fast rule, but think of popular music and also Ch…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
The usccb could, if it wanted, release the official translations of the psalms, or the lectionary, into the public domain, or at least permit free usage with proper attribution and no changes to the text. But they don’t. The irony is that now, they …

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
ugghh... My heart was never hungry for the wheat in that hymn. Just sayin.

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
I have already rescued at least a dozen LU's that were to be disposed of and put them back in circulation. One of them has been restored (restitched with a new cover). Today's homework for all modernists. Read the following. Psalms Chapt…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
In my opinion, the 1940 is probably the best hymnal that was ever produced (although it is sorely lacking especially in missing the Marian and sacramental dimensions.)

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
The Hymnal Industrial Complex
Hymns… not a significant part of Catholic music for Mass. The real question is who made everyone think so? And why do we keep perpetuating this false narrative? We have our music books. We’ve had them for centuries. Let’s get back with the real prog…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
Perfect Instrument for Novel Liturgies
Lol… when I think of circus, I think of that piece and none other. Inside secret: I’m using the gladiators piece for our presentation of Charlotte’s Web. Hence why all this investigation. Rome may burn, but the Faith will be forever!

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
Congregational singing
@Chant_Supremacist I’ll have to send you one of my polyphonic renditions of the ordinary. Although, I love the NOH so much I was thinking of adapting it to an SATB arrangement.

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
Congregational singing
@Liam Yes, I encourage the congregation to sing the chant ordinary at the Novus ordo mass when I am directing the music. But I do not make it the rule that they do so as much as it is important for the choir. And, of course, because there are poly…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
Congregational singing
@Andrew_Malton singing is foreseen and expected. No? Yes, and this IMVHO is a real problem. Everybody is expected to do everything in unison, including posture, actions, responses, hymns, etc., all in march step. Personally, I think this is part o…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
Congregational singing
Singing congregation? Highly overrated and is a fabrication of modernist tenets. The cantors and choir are the singers. The people need to sing dialogues at most, and no one should be “expected” (this expectation mostly comes from the musicians in p…

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink
Question for My Byzantine Friends on the Akathist Hymn
bhahahahahahahaha... alleluia deniers... that is just so... Roman! Guilty! He hath spoken the A word!

Comment by francis March 2025 permalink

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