https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussions/feed.rss Sat, 14 Mar 26 09:12:22 +0000 All Discussions - MusicaSacra Church Music Forum en-CA https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23112/transcriptions-from-the-nova-organi-harmonia Tue, 27 Jan 2026 22:17:08 +0000 chonak 23112@/forum/discussions Asperges me and Vidi aquam. I've been working on similar scores for some of the Mass ordinaries, and hope to do the same for all the ones we use. The scores are produced using Lilypond and LaTeX software.

(An improved version is below.)]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23231/mass-of-saint-john-henry-newman-2026-revision Thu, 12 Mar 2026 19:51:09 +0000 achoyce91 23231@/forum/discussions
Here’s the score follower video: https://youtu.be/PWAZ554eAHM?si=cw2wqn43-hHUYg8-

Soli Deo gloria!]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23212/hymns-and-translations-by-a.-mcdougall Wed, 04 Mar 2026 19:43:00 +0000 Kathy 23212@/forum/discussions
He passed away in 1965, but I've seen at least one of his translations marked public domain.

Does anyone have a good sense of why they are PD, and which text(s) this applies to?

Thanks in advance!]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23197/polyphony-similar-to-grassi039s-magnificat-that-can-be-used-for-psalms Thu, 26 Feb 2026 16:12:51 +0000 Michael_Osborne 23197@/forum/discussions https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23234/pueri-cantores-and-the-international-congress-in-rome Fri, 13 Mar 2026 16:00:30 +0000 Dr_Haze 23234@/forum/discussions
Does anyone in this forum have experience with planning, organizing and fundraising such trips to Rome, which can be costly. Pueri Cantores works with a travel agency that provides accommodations and some amenities such as included breakfasts, luncheons, tours and hotels. They require 40 participants (singers, parents and chaperones included) to make such accommodations through their service.

We're also considering alternate planning options in case we end up having a group smaller than 40. ]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23228/exsultet-location Thu, 12 Mar 2026 02:29:36 +0000 JazFenn 23228@/forum/discussions https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23224/oudoor-processions-where-to-stand Tue, 10 Mar 2026 20:30:19 +0000 JazFenn 23224@/forum/discussions https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23230/o-roma-nobilis Thu, 12 Mar 2026 18:28:16 +0000 monasteryliturgist 23230@/forum/discussions If in SSA even better.

Thanks]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/9696/dom-paul-benoit-organ-music Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:41:49 +0000 musicman923 9696@/forum/discussions
I recently came across the name Dom Paul Benoit for the first time three months ago. I have found some recordings of his organ pieces on YouTube. Does anyone know were I can find his organ music online?? I did a vague search for it but came up with nothing much. Most of his publications I believe were through Europe and not much here in the USA. I am a fairly young organist (later 20's) and I found his music very expressive and enjoyable prelude style music.

I know I found a setting on YouTube of the Easter Tune Victimae..... as well as O Come Divine Messiah and Ubi Caritas.

Anyone know where I can find these precious organ pieces that are probably not all that heard anymore throughout the US.

Thanks for any help and advice you can offer!! ]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23232/durufle-and-solesmes-rhythm Thu, 12 Mar 2026 22:47:09 +0000 5744SHAW 23232@/forum/discussions
"We would not have, for example, the masterful choral works of Maurice Duruflé had he not based his compositional style on what has turned out to be entirely incorrect theories concerning the rhythm of Gregorian chant."

Thanks to all!
]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23233/choirs-in-outer-space Fri, 13 Mar 2026 07:50:12 +0000 Palestrina 23233@/forum/discussions
I have seen it time and time again where there is too much height above the choir and inadequate reflective surfaces for the sound - such that it just leaves the loft and seemingly goes nowhere.

More to the point, has anyone found any aesthetically acceptable solutions?]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/18785/looking-for-tenebrae-responsories-in-english Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:36:26 +0000 FKulash 18785@/forum/discussions https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23229/does-anyone-have-a-set-of-like-400-old-hymnals Thu, 12 Mar 2026 05:19:23 +0000 DominicanCantor 23229@/forum/discussions https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23226/does-anyone-recognise-this-chant Wed, 11 Mar 2026 16:34:22 +0000 Mathrafal 23226@/forum/discussions
I am sending out a Hail Mary here. Louis Couperin (1626–1661) wrote a fugue on precisely the same theme as his slightly older colleage, Jean-Henry D'Anglebert. In D'Anglebert's publication of five fugues, which we believe were on a plainsong melody. Does anyone recognise the chant, by any chance. The background is that Couperin was organist at Saint-Gervais, Paris, after 1653, though I find nothing in the usual antiphoners and graduals of that period.

I hope someone might know.

Cheers!

Jon]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23162/propers-in-spanishpropios-en-espanol Tue, 17 Feb 2026 07:00:40 +0000 DominicanCantor 23162@/forum/discussions Busco recursos en línea con todos los propios del año en español: algo sencillo, pero que no sea aburrido. Algún consejo o recomendación?]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/14738/tenebrae-service-according-to-the-modern-loth Tue, 21 Mar 2017 05:57:25 +0000 PLTT 14738@/forum/discussions
I thought I would share this in case anyone is interested. Before others chime in: yes, I realize that many people find the traditional Tenebrae more evocative/better/etc., and prefer to use the Traditional texts or a paraliturgy making use of some or all of the traditional texts, in Latin or the vernacular. The following is offered simply as another idea for those who are using the revised liturgical books for whatever reason (constraint, convenience, preference.....).

History:This service was used in a formation community for a couple of years, and then in a parish. It is rather flexible and can be used in a highly expanded form, or an abbreviated form. In its most expanded form, it can serve as an alternative Good Friday service in the morning with many similar elements (hymns, readings, Passion Gospel, prayers.....) to the afternoon liturgy, or a service for Holy Saturday morning. It can be used on Holy Thursday morning, but that is part of Lent, and so does not have a lot of proper material.

The idea was to attempt to have a Tenebrae service that uses a lot of material from the traditional repertoire of Holy Week (hymns, responsories, Lamentations, even the tonus planctus from the old Passion, etc.), while staying within the bounds of the modern liturgical books. It was also an attempt to find something that would work more smoothly within the flow of the post-conciliar liturgy.

In many places that use the revised Liturgy of the Hours, it seemed that a bit of a patchwork had emerged when it came to celebrating the modern LOTH while using elements of the traditional Tenebrae. Often the traditional elements were sandwiched between the Office of Readings and Morning Prayer or elements of the revised Office were moved around. There did not for example, seem to be any justification in the revised books for traditional customs such as omitting the versicles and hymns. In addition, the few post-conciliar liturgical authors that mention a liturgical Tenebrae service often assert (without a lot of justification) that elements can be amplified and added and modified (a little dubious, in the light of GILH 247)

Ceremonial: The point of departure for the ceremonial was Tenebrae as laid down in 1961, when a revised Holy Week had already been introduced. The 1957 Pontifical Rite for Holy Week (and earlier changes to the breviary) adapted elements of the classical Tenebrae service to the new Holy Week rites. The strepitus was removed, the single candle was left lit at the end, and the extinguishing of 6 candles at the Benedictus was changed (6 candles were extinguished on Holy Thursday, none on Good Friday since the altar was stripped, and 4 candles around the crucifix on Holy Saturday). The ceremonial is really the only thing that could be said to be outside the book since the modern books do not really treat it at all. However, the 1957 ceremonial is in harmony with the ideas found in Paul VI Holy Week (e.g. the decor of the church and the altar, the norms found in Paschale Solemnitatis, etc.)


OUTLINE OF THE SERVICE


Introductory versicle

Invitatory Psalm and Antiphon

OFFICE OF READINGS


Hymn (e.g. Pange Lingua)

3 Psalms with antiphon

Versicle and Response

Reading 1 - the readings were taken from Lamentations following the 2 year cycle of LOTH, published in Notitiae, and also at the back of DSP Christian Prayer books. On Good Friday, an extract from Lamentations 3 is read and on Holy Saturday from Lamentations 5. Traditional tones can be used - we went for the Mozarabic ones when the cantors were up to it.
Regrettably here, the use of the NAB had to be ditched in favour of the RSV. We were reluctant since the NAB is the version of the lectionary in the USA - however, the translation of Lamentations missed many of the references to the Passion that were the reason for the selection of the Lamentations in the first place.

Responsory 1 - either from the LOTH, or from those given in the Ordo Cantus Officii (OCO), especially if chant/polyphony was desired (e.g. from the Victoria settings)

Reading 2 - from LOTH

Responsory 2 - either from LOTH or OCO

[Responsories from OCO match up with LOTH on Holy Saturday better than on Good Friday]

EXTENDED VIGIL

Antiphon: either LOTH or OCO

3 Canticles (unfortunately, on Holy Saturday, there is a repetition between one of the canticles and the reading)

Gospel Reading: on Good Friday, can be chanted in the Passion tone. On Holy Saturday, can be chanted in the old pre-56 'tonus planctus'

Homily if desired.

MORNING PRAYER

Hymn (e.g. Crux fidelis)
GILH can be interpreted as allowing for a single hymn for the combined offices, or two hymns. We moved to 2 hymns only to give people a change in posture from continuous sitting, especially if the Extended Vigil was not used)

2 Psalms + OT Canticle with antiphons

Scripture Reading
We chanted this an adapted Lamentation tone.

Christus factus est


Benedictus and its antiphon


Intercessions
The chanted response was Kyrie eleison from the Antiphonale Romanum. It was reminiscent of the medieval practice of singing the Kyries at the conclusion of the service

Our Father
Regular melody, but we went with recto tono as sounding more plaintive

Prayer and blessing as usual.


Ceremonial-wise (as I mentioned, there is no rubric regarding this): We stuck with the Traditional tenebrae hearse of 15 candles. Candles were extinguished at the psalms and responsories (for which there is early and medieval precedent) and the hymns. If the full service is abbreviated, then either multiple candles have to be extinguished at the various points, or candles have to be extinguished also at other points (e.g. readings).]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23200/tenebrae-booklets-bilingual-latin-english-pre-55 Thu, 26 Feb 2026 20:35:35 +0000 MatthewRoth 23200@/forum/discussions
For Thursday, I have also taken out for someone else the chant responsories of the II and III nocturns so that the Victoria settings could be sung. One could (and I can do it for you) do the same for the Miserere for example.

Please let me know if I've mucked something up made a mistake. Even with multiple eyes on it, I still can't catch 'em all apparently.]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23204/new-hymn-text-jesus-i-love-thee Sun, 01 Mar 2026 18:56:59 +0000 NihilNominis 23204@/forum/discussions
Jesus, I love Thee,
so far above me,
and yet beside me
to love and guide me.

Meet, Lord, my weakness
with Thine own meekness :
do not condemn me,
but gently win me.

O Jesus show me,
though I am lowly,
though I learn slowly,
how best to know Thee.

Lord, let me borrow
strength from Thy sorrow,
joy in Thy Passion
when life is ashen.

O Jesus, hear me,
when I am weary,
be ever near me,
with grace to cheer me.

Lord, though all heedless
I make such needless
crosses and bear them,
I beg Thee, share them.

Jesus, befriend me,
when death would end me :
with love enfold me,
let me behold Thee.

Amen.]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23203/gregorian-semiology-workshop-2026 Sun, 01 Mar 2026 16:32:40 +0000 Mora 23203@/forum/discussions
Details can be found on the flyer below, as well as at: https://mora-vocis.com/2026-gregorian-semiology-workshop/
]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23207/koerber039s-illuminated-hybrid-modern-metrical-notation Tue, 03 Mar 2026 19:49:09 +0000 francis 23207@/forum/discussions
Here are a couple of examples (far from perfected)... these are still in the idea phase.

For those of you who are promoting a metrical form of GC, what is the equivalent of breve, semi-breve in Gregorian Chant notation? I was thinking of experimenting with that also.]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/22855/publishers-announced-for-new-breviary Thu, 09 Oct 2025 14:12:45 +0000 RMSawicki 22855@/forum/discussions
Word on Fire and Ascension Press have been officially selected to publish the new four-volume edition of The Liturgy of the Hours.

I must say, I had visions of several different firms getting "the call", but neither of these two were on my radar (although WOF's monthly paperback of the current edition probably should've been a tip-off!)

Deo gratias! The initial information is impressive, as well as the posted images!

Gaudete in Domino Semper!]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/22453/new-polyphony-free-to-use-psalm-223-setting-for-good-shepherd-039sub-tuum-praesidium039 Sun, 04 May 2025 03:13:59 +0000 NihilNominis 22453@/forum/discussions Vetus Ordo Mass this Sunday, which some of you might find useful next Sunday for the Novus Ordo Good Shepherd Sunday. It is designed to be sung antiphonally with psalmtone verses, which are included.

I also revised an earlier setting of Sub tuum praesidium I made, which I think represents an improvement on the original.

Free for liturgical use. Other uses should contact me first.]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23214/jesus-christ-has-risen-today-easter-hymn-descant Thu, 05 Mar 2026 16:27:45 +0000 emac3183 23214@/forum/discussions Put this together this morning. Nothing crazy, just thought it might prove useful for those looking for a free, easy descant.

Open to suggestions.]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23222/greek-chant Mon, 09 Mar 2026 14:35:36 +0000 NoahLovins 23222@/forum/discussions https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23201/victoria-popule-meus-editions Fri, 27 Feb 2026 02:35:43 +0000 SMays 23201@/forum/discussions
https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/6/64/Ws-vic-pop3.pdf]]> https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23221/off-topic-cleaning-a-thurible Sun, 08 Mar 2026 12:34:56 +0000 ElizabethS 23221@/forum/discussions https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/23218/completely-hypothetical-question Fri, 06 Mar 2026 18:21:37 +0000 edward.yong 23218@/forum/discussions