Music heard this morning . . .
  • The Communion hymn for this Second Sunday of Advent was none other than Haas' "We Will Rise Again."

    Should I complain? What it had to do with Advent and why it was selected is beyond me . ..

    I'm the cantor at tomorrow's Missa Cantata for the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the BVM, so I don't want to come off sounding like jerk, but I was pretty baffled.

    Need I mention it was sang by the Folk duo who I like to call Peter and Paul (Mary wasn't present o_O)?

    EDIT> I should also mention that I'm a member of the Liturgy Commission, so I do have the chance to mention something like this at the committee meeting where the DoM and Pastor are present . . .
  • I often wonder how realistic our assessment of the state of Catholic music is in this country. Somehow I suspect that none of us really knows the extent of the problem. Just the morning I heard of random Mass attended in the SE, big city, and i could have predicted this but the music was the usual variations on One Bread One Body, plus a Come O Come thrown in to mark the season, all interrupted every once in a while by Marty Haugen's Creation. I suppose this will go on for 100 more years until someone does something to wake the musicians up.
  • well . . . I'm trying to do something. I've managed to get a 90% sung mass here in southwest washington with Latin Ordinaries and Propers, as well sung readings, dialogues and general intercessions. The only thing that isn't sung is the Gospel Reading/Homily and Eucharistic Prayers (the priest doesn't feel too strong about his voice). We usually sing Mass for the holy days of obligation, but haven't been asked to do a Sunday or Saturday Vigil yet.

    What's still amazing is that we can go from that to all of the above, literally in the same week. i guess it's just a matter of making small steps and hoping it will snowball into something that the parishoners demand to hear at least once a month or so . . .

    please pray for my schola, thank you!
  • Regretably, I advise that you do charitably ask Peter/Paul how he came to that repertoire decision? No matter what rationale he concocts, your point will have been made by the mere act of the inquiry.
    At our "Ensemble" Mass this morning we were pleased to have a young Filipino priest possessed of a beautiful, honey tenor voice. So I changed the Communion Song (after singing the Proper Antiphon from Bruce's AG) from "I received the Living God" to Ricky Manalo's "Ang katawan ni Cristo" on the fly. One Communion-themed text for another. "We will rise again" has no resonance, however tenuous PP's explanation may be.
  • GavinGavin
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    I'd say speak up Darth, but I like Charles's idea better. Still, I like the idea of a vocal sacred music proponent on a liturgy committee.
  • Pes
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    the idea of a vocal sacred music proponent on a liturgy committee

    If only to say, "you know, I just discovered that we don't have to reinvent the wheel for every Mass! There are these things called 'propers.' Maybe they could serve as, I don't know, guides?"
  • If you do bring it up in a commission meeting, I might let Peter and Paul what your intentions are, so as not to blind-side them. You might come off a little better in the sight of all involved and your position more sympathetic.
  • @ Ioannes - those two vocalists are not members of the commission. I would never blindside anyone, but rather I think I will just ask about the selection and its appropriateness for the season of Advent. It could of been just an uninformed choice on their part, who knows . . . thanks for the support!
  • well, after doing a little research before this weeks liturgy meeting, I discovered that "we will rise again" is one of the suggestions for 2nd Sunday of Advent, this according to OCP's Liturgy.com liturgy planner, which my parish uses. Here are the suggestions for Communion Processionals for 2nd Sunday of Advent:

    Dr. Elaine Rendler suggests (from Today's Liturgy):
    Like a Shepherd (Dufford, SJ, Bob )
    Litany of the Word (Farrell, Bernadette )
    Letanía de Adviento / Advent Litany (Cortez, Jaime )
    Hold Me in Life (Huijbers, Bernard )
    Lord, Make Us Turn to You (Roberts, Leon C.)
    Maranatha II (Schoenbachler, Tim )
    Patience, People (Foley, SJ, John )
    Bread of Life (Farrell, Bernadette )
    We Will Rise Again (Haas, David )
    To You, O Lord (Alstott, Owen )

    so, any mention of it's properness will be met with a "well, it was suggested by OCP as appropriate for today, what is the problem?"

    Any suggestions on how to proceed?
  • Amazing. OCP's planning guides--brilliantly crafted to give maximum cover to all directors of music who seek to do minimum work--have vastly more controlling power over American liturgy than any Vatican document.
  • GavinGavin
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    Most Catholics don't think the Pope is infallible, why do they think OCP is? Just sayin'...
  • priorstf
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    Darth_Linux wrote:

    The Communion hymn for this Second Sunday of Advent was none other than Haas' "We Will Rise Again." Should I complain? What it had to do with Advent and why it was selected is beyond me . ..

    In fairness, Advent is the period of the Church year in which we are reminded of both Christ's first coming at Christmas and His return at the end of time.

    The first reading today is Isaiah:
    Here comes with power the Lord GOD, who rules by his strong arm;
    here is his reward with him, his recompense before him.


    And the second reading mentions:
    ...waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God...

    And Mark's Gospel itself refers to Isaiah and further incorporates John the Baptist's proclamation
    “One mightier than I is coming after me..."

    As Catholics we repeat our belief in the "resurrection of the body" at the end of time each time we recite the Credo, so these all seem to tie together in exactly what We Shall Rise Again says.

    And Jeffrey, if OCP's posting has such incredible power, why doesn't the CMAA publish a similar list of recommendations for weekly hymns that acknowledges the contemporary reality that most American Catholic churches have a small set of books in their pews such as Gather, Word & Song, We Celebrate, etc. ? OCP's planning guides are showing us the power of the internet and the willingness of DMs everywhere to use such resources. Would our time not be better spent lighting a candle than cursing the darkness?
  • To add to priorstf’s comment, We Will Rise Again actually recalls part of the OT reading for today:
    Like a shepherd he feeds his flock;
    in his arms he gathers the lambs,

    Haas’s text:
    Like a shepherd I will feed you; I will gather you with care.
  • CharlesW
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    OCP has never made a penny from me, and they never will. I don't buy their stuff. However, I do like the suggestion for CMAA recommendations. That would be a valuable resource.
  • I find the hymn suggestions at CanticaNOVA.com to be extremely useful.
    The suggestions at www.npm.org, while filled mostly with OCP material, can occasionally be helpful.
    Some Episcopal Church resources provide relevant hymn lists, although recent editions are based on the Protestant Revised Common Lectionary.
    Textweek.com is always an interesting place to trawl for inspiration.
  • G
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    And Jeffrey, if OCP's posting has such incredible power, why doesn't the CMAA publish a similar list of recommendations for weekly hymns that acknowledges the contemporary reality that most American Catholic churches have a small set of books in their pews such as Gather, Word & Song, We Celebrate, etc. ?


    This is a wonderful idea, bu it is a very large task.
    The indeces in many contemporary hymnals are inadequate, carelessly compiled, and full of error.
    I can't remember the specific but there was something in the most popular hymnal last year, that I didn't like much but knew was a perfect match for the lectionary readings; but I could not recall the title, only a few phrases.
    After searching the scripture reference index and checking out every referenced selection i gave up.
    I came across it later, and the several sources given for the text did not include the psalm from which it directly quoted.

    (Save the Liturgy, Save the World)
  • I make a point of telling all the leaders/cantors whom I advise as DM, relying upon OCP suggestions in print or online is simple laziness, not to mention treacherous.
    I wish I could say that CanticaNova's "aides" are unbiased, but that is also not wholly truthful, tho' I use it more frequently than any other resource.
    It simply comes down to each DM/Choir Director's unwavering tenacity.
  • GavinGavin
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    CanticaNova is no better, just an equally arbitrary selection of better music. It still has nothing to do with the propers.
  • @ priorstf, yes that is a fair point. It's still a bit of a stretch. perhaps if the title were "he will come again" that might be more relavant. But at a time when we are supposed to anticipate the coming of the Lord in his Nativity, it struck me as odd to sing about what i'll be doing at the end of this age, God willing of course. That was my beef, but I can see both sides of the coin thanks to fair input from all on this forum.

    again, I thank you.
  • priorstf
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    -G - You're right that it's a big task. And unless the Parish Book of Chant is making a lot more money than we think, the CMAA will depend on volunteers. (And we know Jeffrey - books will never make any of us rich!)

    So here's my contribution. It's the index of the Word and Song 2009 book (50 weeks to go). Took about 5 hours to scan, OCR, edit, format and rough proof. If we can get some other folks to do the same with their parish hymnals we'll have the beginning of a database to use for the purpose.

    Obviously it's not the answer to prayers for Chant to regain its place, but you begin the battle from where you are, not where you'd like to be.
  • VickiW
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    Priorstf, when I try to open your file, I get an error message that "The compressed folder is corrupt or invalid."
  • priorstf
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    VickiW - Getting attachments to work on here drives me crazy (and it's a short drive). Unfortunately I have to compress the Excel version because the system won't allow an ".xls" extension, and I have to compress the Word version because it exceeds the 500k limitation.

    It works ok for me, but I've added an MS Word version to see if that might work for you. And just for fun I've also tried the Excel in a ".rar" compression format as well. If none of them work for you I would take that as a sign! (g) (But email me and I can send it to you directly.)