Oh, and it's also singing (caecilia)
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    From this new issue 1957 of Caecilia posted here

    Sing the Chant

    A reader writes that he is confused. "I thought that we were
    getting some place, but what do we do now?" The answer is simply:
    sing the chant! Not that singing it is always so simple. And not
    that seeming difficulties are insurmountable. It is not only a matter
    of acquiring the proper books (an adequate list of which appeared in
    Vol. 84, No. 1 of Caecilia) which, after all, we are presently bound
    to use. The impression that we have opined for two generations
    that the book was all we needed will not down.
    This may lead us to our first point. The most important thing
    about singing the chant is singing. It is manifestly absurd to suppose
    that chant is something quite apart from the broad stream of music,
    and that the sound vocal procedure necessary to any other type of
    singing does not apply to it. Yet one fears this has been happening
    for too long. Why do Mr. and Mrs. average worshipper not get
    especially excited about chant? Because most of its sounds bad. This
    has nothing to do with one chant book or another. Listen to the
    Requiem Mass from one end of the country to the other. On the
    face of it, it might be read from fifty different versions, but proper
    vocalization and some musicianship would make amends for a great
    deal else.
    It is not an uncommon experience to behold chant educators
    who have taught their charges everything but the most basic things.
    These will know the horrificent names of all the neums and combinations
    thereof (the picture, if your please, is more important than
    the name), they are liable to know the minutest detail of emerge and
    submerge in matters chyronomical, and probably can place an ictus
    even when it isn't marked. They can, for that matter, know the
    intricacies of the modes, and have the Vatican Preface at their fingertips.
    But start singing-and the musical voice, the elementary
    rhythm of the neums, and sensible phrasing of text and vocal line is
    missing. If one does not have necessary knowledge of voice placement
    and other tonal matters, what should he do? Either stop
    teaching any kind of singing or seek to learn from someone who does.
    The Holy Fathers have been as e:xplicit about sufficiently qualified
    personnel as anything. Reading will help-even so small and tidy
    a brochure as Father Finn's "Epitome of the Choral Art". Make
    no mistake about it, chant, though unisonous, is part of the choral
    art, and not an easy part at that. So that one might conclude this
    paragraph with a word of caution about professional voice teachers,
    who manage so often to coach great voices and ruin the rest. Ours
    is not so much a problem of "training" voices as of eliminating vocal
    defects which God did not usually give us.
    Next in order, and not to be confused with singing the chant,
    is reading it. It is perhaps not musically unorthodox to remark that
    good singing of bad material is preferable to bad singing of good
    material. The contemporary penchant for reading music often ig'
    nores other important considerations. We are faced with the dis'
    tressing fact that competent readers are very often incompetent
    singers and vice'versa. Having said this, one can, however, state
    confidently that the reading problem is by no means insurmountable.
    Here, again, without putting up straw men, one is not beyond en'
    countering college people with decent marks in "Chant I" or "Chant
    2" who cannot sol'fa a Proper. This is a totally unnecessary state
    of affairs. Grade School and High School students certainly can
    and do read chant. It is the writer's experience that this very simple
    manner of reading the chant in chant script is the best approach to
    reading of any kind. The diatonic scale, like the alphabet, is an
    admirable crutch, even if you never get beyond the moveable "do".
    Grade school children, and not only the bright ones, certainly can
    make chant reading part of their existence, and the sky can be the
    limit for high school folk. If takes only the doing. You may call
    this business of scales drudgery if you wish, but it is nothing like the
    drudgery of rote teaching to the not'so'young, and this will be the
    penalty for one who has not begun with scales and intervals in the
    first place: a devastating penury of repertoire.
    The writer has in his possession a collection of chant recordings
    of grade school children of a very small rural parish in Wisconsin.
    They are among the finest he knows, and his own charges sing the
    proper the year around, with some of the better students singing the
    solo parts of the Graduals. Traditions are hard to come by, especially
    when, as any pastor will tell you, there is a constant tum'over of
    music teachers. But the fact that they can be established, even on
    a school level, is indisputable. Why catholic high school students
    cannot supply propers is a mystery-unless the song of the church,
    which ought to have primacy in any music program in the catholic
    school-is given niggardly time. Mind you, once a tradition is
    established, once the younger folk hear, read and sing the Proprium
    de Tempore and de Sanctis year in and year out, the actual practice
    for propers need not take more than 15 minutes a week!
    Now a word about methods and text'books. First of all, the
    teacher must be both the method and text book. It is less than fair
    to expect teachers and choirmasters to establish sound traditions if
    they have not been given a chance to drink deeply at the wells of
    liturgical song throughout the liturgical year. This need not have
    been in the monastery, the convent, or the seminary. For the Popes
    did not write their encyclicals and allocutions only for monks.
    (There persists too much the notion of transplanting strictly monas'
    tic elements in the parishes; and religious teachers in diocesan semin'
    aries have no right to use the monastic rather than the Roman books
    in their classes or worship.) In the very first line of the Motu
    Proprio, St. Pius X marks these matters as foremost among the
    pastoral cares of every individual parish. The teacher, then, must
    have assimilated the meat, spirit and directives of the liturgical
    books, to a point of feeling a necessity to impart them. The best
    and only necessary text books are the Kyriale and the Graduale.
    One may add to these the Vesperale and the "Chants diversa mente".
    From the point of view of chant education, one might suggest the
    Kyriale for grade school students, and the Graduale for High School
    students. Through their formative years children may become
    completely conversant with these, and carry them, let us hope, into
    their adulthood. One might use a book like P. Baldinus van Poppel's
    elementary course, (see Caecilia, Vol 84, No.1) but it is perhaps
    just as well to get into the middle of things, using brief home'made
    exercises to lead into any particular piece in the Kyriale. Sometimes
    reading exercises (and vocal exercises) might well be performed on
    the material at hand. The results are just as effective, and time is
    saved.
    Then let us not forget the overwhelming importance of the
    text. It is absolutely essential that the teacher be as resourceful in
    this matter as the rest. The texts are not difficult to understand by
    comparative study-Father Bouyer has said that the work of the
    Belgian Benedictines at Bruges (Saint Andrew's Missal) is one of
    the highest contributions to liturgical renewal-and our schools, de'
    signed primarily for the preservation of the faith and participation
    in its mysteries, ought not be remiss in teaching the rudiments of the
    language of these mysteries, even if it finally devolves upon the
    religion or chant teacher to do so. It is a fair conjecture that
    if the time, energy, and enthusiasm spent on vernacular notions
    were applied in the opposite direction we might be happily on our
    way. "Sacred music as an integral part of the solemn liturgy
    shares its general purpose ... and since its principal function is to
    adorn with suitable melody the liturgical text proposed to the under'
    standing of the faithful, its proper purpose is to add greater efficacy
    to the text itself, so that by this means the faithful may be more easily
    moved to devotion and better disposed to receive in themselves the
    fruits of grace proper to the celebration of the sacred mysteries."
    (Pope Pius X, Motu Proprio)
  • mjballoumjballou
    Posts: 993
    Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

    "Why do Mr. and Mrs. average worshipper not get
    especially excited about chant? Because most of its sounds bad. This
    has nothing to do with one chant book or another.... proper
    vocalization and some musicianship would make amends for a great
    deal else.
    It is not an uncommon experience to behold chant educators
    who have taught their charges everything but the most basic things."

    Thank goodness for the CMAA and its excellent instructors and sensible approach.
  • Great post, Jeffrey. I don't usually have the patience to read through longer excerpts, but this one held my attention.

    'It is not an uncommon experience to behold chant educators
    who have taught their charges everything but the most basic things.'

    Too true. How often do choirs labor under those who have not sufficiently studied vocal production and language. If we want great singing, people to learn from great (or at least very good) singers. At the risk of incurring the wrath of some, I suggest that the Church needs to employ not only great organists, but great singers who can serve as more complete choir directors, able to teach and demonstrate beautiful singing. To clarify, keep the organists, add the singers, and get better sounding results.


    'So that one might conclude this paragraph with a word of caution about professional voice teachers,
    who manage so often to coach great voices and ruin the rest. Ours is not so much a problem of "training" voices as of eliminating vocal defects which God did not usually give us.'

    Yes... and no. Things have changed dramatically in vocal pedagogy since this article was written. The eccentric voice lover posing as mystic teacher has become a nearly extinct bird, thanks to increased availability of laryngeal research, etc. The second sentence sets up a false dichotomy. Eliminating vocal defects IS a large part of vocal training. A good teacher gets to know the student's vocal goals, and voices are trained differently now for opera, concert work, early music (incl. ensemble work like polyphony), musical theater, etc.

    'We are faced with the distressing fact that competent readers are very often incompetent singers and vice'versa.'
    This has not changed very much since the article was written, I'm afraid. It won't until degree programs and music educators require more stringent sight-reading courses and competency exams for singers.

    'The teacher, then, must have assimilated the meat, spirit and directives of the liturgical
    books, to a point of feeling a necessity to impart them.'
    A worthy goal- I am not living up to this one yet!
  • mjballoumjballou
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    MA -

    You won't incur my wrath with this:

    "At the risk of incurring the wrath of some, I suggest that the Church needs to employ not only great organists, but great singers who can serve as more complete choir directors, able to teach and demonstrate beautiful singing. To clarify, keep the organists, add the singers, and get better sounding results."

    I know a number of great singers. What I don't know are a number of great singers who can actually teach amateurs well.

    We will have much to discuss on our walks along the lake in sensible shoes.
  • CharlesW
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    With apologies to Shakespeare.

    The first thing we do, let's kill all the singers.

    Sincerely,
    The Organists ;-)
  • Donnaswan
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    Now, now- there are lousy organists as well as lousy singers who think they know how to direct a choir. :) A great singer is NOT necessarily a good conductor. I know you organists think singers can't count, and sometimes that true! LOL Believe me, in a long professional career as both a singer and a choir director, I've encountered both. Most important thing for directing- first, know your subject (LOL) then know how to convey said subject to your choir. You have to love the words as well as the music. In fact, I would say the words come first. If congregation can't understand words, all is lost, no matter how beautiful the sound. So the first thing is to know how to get your choir to sing consistent vowel sounds as a choir. There are many good books on this- James Jordan comes to mind. Also Frauke Hasseman.(SP?) They wrote a great book together. But the best way is to sing yourself under someone who knows what they're doing. Consistency is all-important. Even if choir can't sightread very well when you start, it's amazing how much a willing choir can learn over time. So many people directing music programs nowadays seem to have no professional training or background. 'Tis a pity. With the huge salary a Catholic musician pulls down, I don't understand it! LOL
  • Blaise
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    I suggest that Catholic (and other) musicians take time to attend such things as the International Conference on the Physiology of Singing, especially for those of us who do not have music degrees, which I was fortunate to attend since it was held on the UTSA campus this past January---one of the things I learned was that the "drop your jaw" teaching strategy is not the end all, be all, especially for women; I don't remember what the alternative solution was.

    I also suggest that Catholic schools seek funding for and do this kind of research, since as stated before in "Sacred Music" that we have the most to lose if it is not done. Related things to study in addition to physiology include: whether choral singers learn best via one on one instruction versus learning in context (like when a bass has a C and the tenors sang a C as part of a chord a few measures before, whether or not the basses can remember the tenors' C), whether solfege is any useful for singers or whether they must have a keyboard to rehearse, or both, etc---or for that matter whether or not singers even read the music at all versus waiting for someone else to sing first.
  • Pes
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    Vocal production, blend, and beauty are secondary or even tertiary if the choir can't sing the right notes together.

    If you have bad readers, you probably have to spend 90% just to get the right notes sung at the right time. Factors:

    1. Choirs composed of enthusiasts, not trained musicians. They vary greatly in quality, literacy, and experience. They're like a classroom of students, all at different levels. Many DM's are reluctant to screen them.

    2. Choirs with large age disparities. Older muscles can't hold pitches as well, even if they can sight-read them perfectly.

    3. Choirs that sing material that is clearly beyond their ability to master. When they sing simpler material, they nail it and sing confidently. When they sing "Ave Verum Corpus", they get about 75% there but still sound tentative in every phrase.

    How many rehearsals open with stretching, breathing exercises, vocal warm-ups, and vowel tuning? How many practice cadences or fauxbourdon formulae? How many routinely sing psalms to develop a choir-feel for its collective conversational rhythm? How many do all this before even attempting a new piece?
  • Donnaswan
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    Psalms are the best for tuning and correct vowel sound! If the vowels are correct the tuning will be also. And of course unison, ie the chant

    Choral training is so different from one on one solo training. Just think about how a solo singer must sing long phrases w/o a breath, but the choir must be trained to know how and where to take 'sneak breaths' so as not to break the line. Anyway, many books have been written, many conferences attended many workshops sung on this subject. Go to as many as you can under good choral directors.
    Donna
  • I would add that someone without solid keyboard harmony skills and the strong sense of voice-leading that comes with them will be impaired as a choral director. Additionally, a professional choral conductor needs to be a superb vocal/choral sight-reader (you can't read a score in rehearsal or performance otherwise), a very careful listener, and an articulate teacher.

    Choral blend = precisely tuned pitch + unanimous vowels. All else is style or voodoo.

    Older singers should not be combined with singers in their prime. We all age out of various physical activities unless we pursue them in the specialized company of (mainly) our (upper) age-peers. This may not sound 'pastoral', but choir membership cannot be determined by sentimentality.

    One learns the most from singing in and working directly with excellent choirs at all stages of one's career, especially at the beginning. One's early exposure and resulting ideals will have more influence than years of academic training. Formal study helps perfect technique, analytical abilities, and knowledge of repertory. But the sound in your head is always the one you use as a template.
  • CharlesW
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    Well, I have never said singers can't count. But I have said, "how far into the next phrase does she intend to hold that dotted half note?" And with conductors, "no I can't soften that sound. It's the softest stop on the organ." Or on occasion, "is there a beat indication somewhere in those circular motions you are making with your arms?" ;-) It would drive one quite crazy if taken seriously. I think you have to have a good sense of humor to work in church music, either as a singer, or an organist.
  • mjballoumjballou
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    "Choral blend = precisely tuned pitch + unanimous vowels."

    I keep looking for the little knobs that will enable me to tune my singers :)

    All points made above are good, but Pes' spoke most to the condition in which many of us find ourselves singer-wise.

    I think willingness to stick with works is a major stumbling block, along with overreaching, for many amateur ensembles. Obviously, if you need to keep cranking out new propers every Sunday, that's an issue. However, sticking with a short motet - and not taking it "out" until it is truly ready - is very difficult. Singers and conductors are impatient. And what you end up with is "close enough for government work." I am as guilty as any.

    And that is why I'm looking forward to the Colloquium - a chance to sing under someone good, some vocal pedagogy, and encouragement to excellence vs. mediocrity.
  • I didn't mean to imply that uniform vowels and unison pitch were easily obtained, just that the whole issue of 'blend' is often fraught with lots of other baggage and clap-trap that actually works against a truly blended sound.

    I, for example, emphasize rhythmic precision as a crucial and often overlooked element in sightreading and choral blend. It's definitely an underemphasized element in almost every musician's training--it certainly was in mine. When I go between expert choral ensembles and more 'irregular' groups, this is one of the first things I notice and try to work on.

    The 'good enough for church' mind-set and its evil twin 'we're just volunteers' are endemic and pernicious in many choirs. All may not be able to achieve excellence, but it should be a universally held ideal, both philosophically and procedurally.
  • Donnaswan
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    Oh yeah- keyboard skills are essential.
    I must disagree about aging singers, tho. It all depends on how good your genes are!!!! I have a gorgeous bass in my choir well over 60, another over 70. Of course, men age better than women when it comes to the voice. As long as things like excessive vibrato don't develop, the hearing aids are working, I say keep on singing. I'm talking the average church choir, not a pro group of course. Is anyone familiar with Gloria Dei Cantores? There are no spring chickens in that choir and they are gorgeous!!

    Donna
  • priorstf
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    In my many years of choiring I've found about 1/3 of the people can read well, 1/3 fairly, and 1/3 not at all. Most of those in the last category seem to have almost a smugness about how long they've made it without learning how. Couple that with no lessons in breath control and there is no such thing as a simultaneous entry or cutoff.

    So who here actually teaches basic music to their choir? I'm thinking of getting copies of the Vaccai Method for the men's section (I'm section leader) to work on intervals, tone, etc., but first things first: I need to clue them in on the hollow notes with dots, pound signs on the lines, and the six over eight thingy. Bringing them in a half hour early each week might be a start, but I'd like to hear from people who have actually ever done anything like this with their choir.
  • francis
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    Well, all, my "too sents."

    Don't bore a schola with information that only the director needs to know. Neume names, ictus, and the like. For centuries music was only passed down orally. Why? Because ALL the nuances were learned intuitively! ...very well, I would add.

    There are TWO ways to learn anything.

    ONE is by the book and then getting the experience.

    TWO is by getting the experience and then reading the book about what you are doing.

    This has been the controversy in the Kodaly method. One side always scorns the other. It's never one or the other. You HAVE to be able to improvise and 'shoot music from the hip'. It works a completely different part of the brain than the totally theoretical, analytical segment. But then, you still have to enhance your performance with theory and technical prowess. Balance is critical.

    We have a wonderful tool for teaching and promoting the oral tradtion. Digital recordings. With this tool, oral tradition will many times bypass the 'knowledge first' factor in a fraction of the time, especially for the young and enthusiastic beginner. For you StarWars fans, it's akin to going into "hyperspace chanting mode". Get them mimicking the best. If you bore them, you will loose them. Get them singing! Then teach (in passing) what they are already doing well! I find that when I point it out to them in passing, it's as if the veil has been lifted and they shout a surprising "O Wow... I was wondering why we did that!"

    Not either/or but BOTH!

    HINT : The iPod and the cell phone are the greatest devices for teaching your schola members chant! Take advantage of it!
  • CharlesW
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    I would disagree on the older singers, too. I have some that are still pretty good, and I plan on keeping them as long as possible.
  • GavinGavin
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    Agree 100% with what Daniel Page said (with the exception of the age thing. It's just not practical and usually a good way to get fired). Especially: "a professional choral conductor needs to be a superb vocal/choral sight-reader (you can't read a score in rehearsal or performance otherwise), a very careful listener, and an articulate teacher."

    FWIW, at my university we sang under Erich Kunzel for a pops concert and had a forum on his long career. I asked the question "What is the most important skill for someone in your position?" (to be precise, I said extra-musical, but the answer was good so I'm glad he ignored that). His response: "First thing is to have a great ear." If you can't hear what's going wrong, you can't fix it.

    Then again, I once half-jokingly counseled a younger friend, "The best skill you need in directing church choirs is the ability to turn your ear off and say what they want to hear." Terrible musicianship, but with the kind of jobs most of us can get as undergrad students, it'll save a lot of sanity.
  • miacoyne
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    Please tell me how you use cell phones?

    I agree with Francis. I have the schola listen to chants a lot. But we also do warm ups and solfeges (solfeges,just a little at a time. There are still a bit of grumbles about it. But they are getting better. Becasue I insist, and say just a little please. We are also still focusing on singing solfege names up and down scales and skipping up and downs, after vocal excercises.) Also singing solfeges like Fr. Columba's communion antiphone is good, very simple, and less overwhelming for the schola, because learning text in English is easy. We learn nuem names too, especially podatus, quillisma, porrectus amd salicus one at a time (a few weeks for a neum), mostly because I was tired of keep saying 'the neum that has squiggly lines in the middle', or 'the one that has swinging cross line' (I used to call it a swinging neum for porrectus. Feel a bit swinging when we sing that. The schola was singing too stiff when they sing the notes of the porrectus (like emphasizing each note.) When we try to memorize the neum names, I combine them with vocal excercises, sing those neums on Nu, Na, etc. first, then we sing 'sa--licus' on salicus neums on a scale, and look at P177 for the explanation for the nuem. (need extra punctums to match the syllables. We don't need to sing the names of those neums anymore. They all know those names now. Also I have to emphasize on singing lightly on the top note of the podatus, very hard to break the habit of shouting out the top note, especially those who have more experience singing in other choirs or a song leader.) This way they also pay attention to music not just the text when they learn a chant. (actually it helped me memorize those names. I'm not good with memorizing names. But when you sing, the music helps with memorizing names. Power of music. It really leaves lasting memory.)

    A word about Kodaly method. It also starts with singing with ears first, it's not just about reading notes. Because the teacher will teach lots of folk tunes by rote and play games before they actually sing with solfeges. Also you can use solfege singing in improvisation in many ways. it can also be used in combination with other methods. Music educators (whether they are choir directors and classroom teachers) can't realy on just one method. After we learn those methods, we need to combine them and create your own that works for you and your group. (and don't forget Ward method. Most of the Ward method books are in CMAA site. They are very very helpful. Mrs. Ward's explanation on chant singing is not just about the music, it's also very very spritual.
    I used number singing a bit to the adult schola before I introduce solfege. I felt it's needed especially for those who are really new in singing in a choir, but I skipped that step for the children. It's funny that they don't have any trouble going right into solfege singing and have fun with them without much trouble. Of course I intruduced only a few solfege names to start and add a coulpe at a time. (Fa and ti were the last to introduce in our learning solfeges.)

    Chant singing is intellectually challenging, emotionally satisfying, and spiritually uplifting!

    I didn't find anything else that does the same.
  • Believe me: I've never been able systematically to 'separate' aged-out singers from my choirs--but I *should* have.
    The issue is only loosely related to actual age: I've had an 80-year-old *soprano* who sang beautifully and a 45-year-old-soprano whose voice was already shot. Keeping any singers in a choir who greatly detract from its musical results keeps younger and more adept singers from volunteering. This sounds harsh, but it's reality.
  • mjballoumjballou
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    "Keeping any singers in a choir who greatly detract from its musical results keeps younger and more adept singers from volunteering."

    Daniel Bennett Page scores again. This is the ugly "flip side" of the "pastoral" failure to deal with truly awful voices. How often have you been at a Mass with a dreadful choir and had the person in front of you turn around after the dismissal and suggest you join "because you'd make it so much better"? Not to mention your own efforts to lure new singers in (and get them to stay) if you're the one with the problem choir.
  • miacoyne
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    But how you tell him? I have a gentleman, I think has been singing for 50 years or something. It's very hard for him to understand and follow. But he is very eager to sing. (doesn't know his voice is not blending with the rest.) I don't know what to tell him.
  • Pes
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    Mia

    Say that 'good blend' is one of the choir's goals. Ask them to listen for how well they blend. Ask for comments. Eventually, the gentleman may recognize himself that if good blend is a worthy goal, he has to do something.

    The trap for us all is to let this become a debate between "excellence" and "participation." The deck is often stacked toward the latter.
  • I've adopted a two-tier approach when faced with a parish choir unavoidably combining excellent and no-so-excellent singers.
    I rehearse the full choir on well-known, easier music for the first hour and then have a 'motet choir' of the auditioned singers who rehearse for the second hour and sing some more difficult things separately.
  • priorstf
    Posts: 460
    dbp - Our choir has recently begun following the same model. The main choir focuses on the congregational work and the occasional large work while a quartet, expanded to an octet when possible, sings more complex works. Has yours proven successful from a musical perspective and from the less savory world of choral backbiting?
  • miacoyne
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    DBP, what a great idea! I'm going to try that. Because I invite everyone to the schola, people come with different expectations. And some think it's too hard or some too easy.
    And Pes, thanks. I've been telling them if they cannot hear the next person singing, s/he is probably singing too loud. I'm really going to emphasize on this blending.
  • The two-tier approach has worked extremely well with my choirs. I've actually experienced very little choral backbiting in my career--Deo gratias! On one occasion I had a singer threaten not to sing for a particular event because another singer was singing a particular solo. I expressed my sorrow at her choice and let her know that if she failed to attend, she should not come back. She came. Nonetheless, I know that it exists and that it can be awful. I try to make it clear that we all--including and especially me--need to approach our work with generosity and humility. Church choirs are at the nexus of three very personal and deeply felt parts of life: music in general, singing in particular, and religion/faith. It's not surprising that people take things personally.
  • CharlesW
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    Our choir is not large enough to divide into parts, but we do have a separate schola which does chant and polyphony quite well. I remind myself that this is not a professional choir, and there is not a thing wrong with that. They have a full, warm, rich sound and they are at their best singing music of the 19th and early 20th centuries. Since I love that literature and so does the congregation, it all works out well.
  • dad29
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    I would say the words come first

    You agre with Ratzinger, who said that sacred music is the 'enfleshment' of the Word. Put another way, the music should illuminate the text; text (esp. in sacred music) IS primary, no question about it.
  • mjballoumjballou
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    The tricky part of the two-choir solution is setting it up unless you bring in all new singers for the auditioned choir. What if everyone in your existing, uneven ensemble believes he/she should pass the audition? My point is that the director needs to be prepared with a suitable response for this situation. Otherwise, you'll be caught off your guard and either wound unnecessarily or find yourself stuck with the very voices you sought to avoid. Trust me - I've been there.

    Miacoyne - the reminder about listening to others is a good one. Talking about "blend" is meaningless to a lot of singers; telling them to turn on their ears can effectively lower the volume of some problem singers. It will also help with the "oversinging" of good singers who are pushing too hard to make up for others' deficiencies.
  • MJ and Donna,
    C'mon, now. Get to know more singers who are good musicians and can teach. I do agree that being a skilled singer and a skilled teacher don't always go hand in hand, which is why I said,
    'great singers who can serve as more complete choir directors, able to teach and demonstrate beautiful singing.'

    And MJ, I'm in the middle stage of moving toward a two-tier choir. Its going well, but of course there are some hurt feelings. I have ideas on how to help smooth all that, can go into more detail at the Colloquium.

    DBP, couldn't agree more with this-
    'The 'good enough for church' mind-set and its evil twin 'we're just volunteers' are endemic and pernicious in many choirs. All may not be able to achieve excellence, but it should be a universally held ideal, both philosophically and procedurally.'

    So I think music programs- especially at the cathedral level or wherever $ permit- should aim high and employ BOTH great singer/teachers AND great organists.

    And amen to this as well-
    "Keeping any singers in a choir who greatly detract from its musical results keeps younger and more adept singers from volunteering." Prospective singers get turned off and bored.
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