Contemporary Music Best Practices
  • Is anyone on this forum responsible for or participate in a parish music program that uses some contemporary genres? If so, I was wondering what people have found to be best practices for doing so withing the guidelines of the church.

    Particularly, what do people think of the following:
    -Having different genres at each mass, such as one mass having chant, one having 1800s style old hymns, one having your run of the mill OCP hymnal stuff, and other doing praise and worship.
    -Doing more blended worship, such as chanting the ordinary but doing contemporary music for the hymns
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  • ryandryand
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    Why do you ask? Is there a desire for your parish to incorporate more of that style, or to incorporate more traditional styles, or seeking a solution for a current mix of the two?

    I've worked in parishes that match exactly both of the descriptions you've asked about, and can give feedback on either, but I'm interested in first knowing what the motivation is (in order to be as helpful as possible).
  • I'm a college student and I assist with the music in a variety of ways at my college Newman center, including playing the piano for Mass. Our repertoire consists of 3 masses that play out of the Breaking Bread hymnal and a 4th mass that does some praise and worship and some stuff from Breaking Bread. We play most of the genres of Breaking Bread with a 50:50 mix of the older hymns and 1960-1990s vintage songs. My personal expertise is in praise and worship, which I think has had its reputation destroyed by incompetent execution and lyrically trite songs, but I think has its gems. I mostly play this genre for retreats and for adoration. My interest is less in changing the style of the music but in learning what churches who have a portion of their music in a contemporary genre have done to succeed.
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  • I urge folks not to take the gambit. In fact, I was once asked this very question in an interview.... although it was more about "cultural" than "musical" diversity. I insisted that Latin and, specifically, Gregorian chant would allow those individual tastes or styles to exist without making a Balkan zone out of the liturgy.

    I have also had the observation that if Masses are divided by music, one priest is, in reality, the pastor of as many parishes as there are "styles". People tend to get locked into their "This is MY Mass, and you can jolly well go elsewhere" frame of mind.

    Please note that this is not intended as a commentary on the value (or lack of value) of any of these kinds of music.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    The Church has no particular guidelines on how to incorporate "contemporary" music genres into the liturgy. The various documents related to music state that the bulk of the repertoire should be Gregorian Chant and that other genres of music can supplement this basic repertoire. The only other genre specified is "sacred polyphony," but that mention is not intended to be exhaustive.

    The closest thing to a stylistic guideline given by the Church is that music which is more like Gregorian chant is -- because of that similarity -- more appropriate. No specific attributes of Gregorian chant are then highlighted as particularly worthy of emulation, but one might assume this could mean its modality, lack of pulsing meter, emphasis on the text and voice, and generally meditative quality.

    While the documents are a bit obtuse about genre and style, there are a few specific things mentioned regarding instruments. Organ is highly approved of. Small, bowed string instruments get a pass. Percussion is highly suspect. Piano is right out. No specific mention is made of electric synthesizers, but the general prohibition on pre-recorded music could be applied here. More to the point, a synthesizer that is trying very hard to emulate an organ is likely more passable than one trying very hard to sound like a piano.

    So I don't think you are going to get a whole lot of help from the official documents on this point.

    From a practical standpoint, I would say that the issue of contemporary genres (the GIA/OCP and P&W stuff; or, as I call it, "the Habitual Music of the Contemporary Roman Rite") is generally approached one of the three ways:

    1. Don't do any of it. It is all terrible. Sing only the chanted propers, preferably in Latin.

    This is probably the majority opinion here on the Music Sacra Forum. If this thread goes long, you will hear some version of that a lot. Be prepared for this response.

    2. Do any or all of it as long as it moves your congregation and makes some sense with the Lectionary. If the people like it, that counts as enculturation and if they don't like they are rigid Christians who hate happiness. Also, nobody likes chant anymore, so stop doing it altogether (as if you were already, ha ha).

    This seems to be the majority opinion of contemporary Catholics in the English speaking world.

    3. Understand the stated ideals for music as laid out in the relevant documents, and also the long history of liturgical practice and spirituality that precedes those documents. Then use your best artistic and pastoral judgement to find an approach that is faithful to the tradition and also works for your congregation.

    This is the position I advocate. As do a few others around here. It is hard, and cannot be summed up in a single answer on a forum.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    And in relationship to performance practice for P&W music...

    - Sing things unaccompanied.
    - Focus on congregational rather than performative singing.

    Those two things will immediately remove 90% of the musical problems with these genera. You still have to make sure you aren't singing terrible lyrics though.
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    I reluctantly agree with Chris, though not for the same reasons. All of the dynamics wise Adam outlined have been visited in these confines ad nauseum. And many of his points are still subject to disagreement because of the inherent dichotomies in extent legislation and advisories, not to mention the lack of consensus about the term "contemporary." I resist any inclination to counter specific points.
    I've functioned within such an environment the OP posits for 47 years successfully from most accounts. I attribute merit based upon the quality of performance practice, a factor that many here would simply respond to with "Duh!" But, to characterize, the pristine beauty of a gradual chant or a Janet Sullivan Whitaker song can be totally obliterated by even a perfunctory reading, much less an ill-mannered one.
    Though I could inhabit chant and polyphony solely for myself, such an option isn't realistic in this current era. Check with me in another century.
  • "Particularly, what do people think of the following:
    -Having different genres at each mass, such as one mass having chant, one having 1800s style old hymns, one having your run of the mill OCP hymnal stuff, and other doing praise and worship.
    -Doing more blended worship, such as chanting the ordinary but doing contemporary music for the hymns"

    I would be particularly interested in what others have experienced about these two points. What are the relative pros and cons of each approach? If one is stuck in one or the other of those positions, how do you make the best out of it?
  • My experience has been that two genres at a Mass can work and can be a way of growing respect between the proponents of each. But any more that two feels very disjointed.
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  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Usually such 'specialty Masses' involve different team of musicians, which can make it hard to offer an attractive salary. I once succeeded to a job where 'traditional', folk and contemporary services had been consolidated with a single player (after another had fallen off the wagon and been escorted away by a SWAT team) and had a lot of practicing to do. I thought it odd that two services were played from books while the contemporary service was the one that depended on oral 'tradition'.

    People can indeed get a little crazy about defending turf. When I got more recent news it was that after one service was eliminated the Pastor got an anonymous phone call: "Do you know where your pet dog is right now?" I'm sorry to say that was one of the traditional partisans.
  • Kathy
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    I went to all the trouble of making a contemporary choir to allay some whining, and people still complained because it wasn't at the Mass time they preferred.

    One thing I thought of doing instead but never got around to was having a "hymn sing" outside of Mass in the hall, with food and stuff, where folks could sit and jam away to the greatest hits of the 70s and 80s.

    You know, "contemporary."
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    You know there a lotsa "musical experts" who consider Ravel and Debussy "contemporary." Teehee.
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  • donr
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    We have a different music group at every Mass.
    4pm Sat : Folk style
    8AM Sun: Traditional (chant, English Propers, Trad. Hymns, Polyphony)
    9:30 Sun: Folk
    11:00 Sun: Folk
    12:30 Sun: Spanish Contemporary
    6:00 PM Sun: Contemporary

    The only Pro that I see is that anyone can go to a Mass they feel best represents their feelings.
    The Cons:
    1. Everyone goes to a Mass that involves their feelings.
    2. As Adam Wood mentions above the music should be a reflection of Gregorian Chant. The only Mass that presents that is the 8Am. The others are missing out.
    3. The tradition of the church and its beautiful music is not represented at the other Masses.

    My opinion is that even though these other Mass times do Folk/Pop type music they should also include some traditional music, they should incorporate at least English Propers such as by Illumare Publications or other publications and they should perform at least some Latin where possible.
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  • music123
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    These are guidelines to what I have done at my church, which honestly I don't think is ever going the all-chant-and-polyphony route. I have been here seven years, and overall I do think that what we do musically is appreciated. I am not as strict as probably most people here, but my conscience is clear. Though we occasionally get complaints (which I think everyone does) I am very reluctant to go to different styles at each of our three Masses because it just makes things complicated, and to me once you start trying to cater to everyone's taste at Mass, they start asking for more and more....

    1. NO DRUMS, period. (Except occasional timpani.) This is the current pastor's rule. *story below
    2. Organ is played at every Mass, at least for the opening hymn and closing recessional (Used to be also for closing hymn, but we recently eliminated this at pastor's discretion.) We also generally have used it for the Mass Ordinary.
    3. Piano is also played, at every Mass. There seems to be a certain contingent among parishioners that gets sick of all organ, and then they start requesting "Contemporary Masses." This alone seriously has appeased people, and honestly I do some tasteful but at times borderline sentimental piano preludes that seem to keep people happy too.
    4. We have guitar occasionally. My philosophy on this is that it works with a skilled enough player, on soft, meditative music, for Prelude, Preparation of Gifts, and/or Communion. Not going for the loud pseudo-rock sound. One Sunday Mass that had (tasteful, of course) guitar with yours truly on violin received NUMEROUS compliments, I was informed. I know that's not what it is all about, but it is good to feel appreciated if you would like to keep your job....
    5. We do music that is theologically sound and singable by congregations (not tons of syncopation, in other words), from any era and style. I do try to throw in chestnuts that people ask for. But again, if it is the opening hymn, for example, it is played on the ORGAN! (Possible OCCASIONAL exception for Gospel-style, if our other accompanists choose, but I play them on organ.)

    As far as the propers are concerned, I have at least introduced versions of the Entrance Antiphons for Advent and Lent for some of the Masses (with choir, for example). I would love to do more but am not sure how far I can push this. We do some chant, and some Latin. (Again, I would love to do more.) A big goal of mine is to have the choir sing the Byrd "Ave verum corpus" this year for Corpus Christi. It may be accompanied, but I figure accompanied polyphony is better than none!

    As far as choirs go, my observation and that of others is that when you have a regular or "traditional" choir, they tend to be game to sing just about anything of any genre, but once you call a group the "contemporary" choir, they are very insistent on what they want, how they want it. Which is kind of ironic, if you think about it.

    So good luck with whatever you decide to do. I know of quite a few programs that have different styles at different Masses, but what we do here seems to work at our pretty average suburban parish. I always say, and it's only partially a joke, that the reason I am a music director is that, as a Catholic, I have to go to Mass anyway, and if I am going to Mass, I can either complain about the music, or be in charge of the music! I chose the latter, and am very glad I did.

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    *Imagine a scenario where a parish's new music minister notices a drum set in the choir area, which is simply ignored. A few weeks later, a choir member requests to move said drum set to avoid the danger of injury to choir members. "Excellent idea!" Said drum set then is moved, first to choir room, then to the BOILER ROOM in the basement (for about six years), then eventually is snuck out of the building under cover of darkness and given to a local radio station that in turn gives it to a local school music program. (Not saying whether or not this actually happened ;-)


  • melofluentmelofluent
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    For the halibut, I'm gonna try and make this reel simple:
    *It don't matter a whit what instrument best supports singing. Singing supports singing. Some can be more distraction than others, but to my way of thinking all instruments, acoustic/amplified/analog/digital are ALL some sort of synthesizer by comparison to the voice at worship. The King of Instruments is, truth be told, more equal than others.
    *The "Jefe" of music in a parish must be able to "hear" and reproduce any score from off the page; most anybody can flock towards NPM showcases and wish they were "them." (And they do, by the $Millions.) But if a decider can't fathom the intrinsic worthiness of any scribbling (thanks BMP) on a page, by melody alone, then that person is simply a poseur.
    *Chant is prima facie beautiful. However, despite folks' dubbing "Blest be the Lord" an Entrance Chant (that it most assuredly ain't), there is a whole lot of variance about the chant(s) that pedants won't admit. Don't be that guy/gal.
    *Don't be a climate change denier. (Don't mean that literally.) If something new appears in a hymnal or subscription aide, resist the inclination to categorically deny it credence. If you hate the SLJ's on principle, go head on by that sum of the parts opinion. But know that's philosophically disingenuous. And try to make an effort to "know" the works of a select writer before tossing it out as "neo-Broadway" or "warmed over Beatles."
    *Admit that you can't teach taste; rather akin to the liturgical-terrorist method of scolding "You vill zing und you vill like it," try to back door some folks: "Hey, I notice you like Bob Hurd's "Ubi Caritas." Would you like to hear the version that inspired it?"
    *Und zofort.
  • Thanks for the thoughts everybody. Music123, I'm interested in hearing what your ideas are for tasteful use of guitar (starting a new thread for this!)

    It seems that there is a general consensus against doing a different genre for every liturgy as it leads to consumerism and impossible workloads for musicians.
  • Melofluent, I love your comment about how "singing supports singing." I have found this to be very true. Certain songs have an "it" quality to them where everyone in the congregation is drawn in to singing them. When the congregation really gets a song, you can drop the instrumentation out and sing the last chorus acapella (along the lines of Adam's suggestion to "Sing things unaccompanied"!)

    Also, Adam, I appreciated your line about avoiding performance culture. Using our position to glorify ourselves rather than God is probably the biggest temptation for many of us here.