Texts and Tunes
  • What text do you most associate with each of these hymn tunes?

    Nettleton
    Old Hundredth
    Salzburg
    Puer Nobis
    Noel Nouvelet
    Hyfrydol
    Regent Square
    Beach Spring
    Ode to Joy
    Llanfair
    St. Elizabeth
    Ash Grove
    St. Thomas
    St. Thomas (Williams)
    Ebenezer
    St. George's Windsor
  • MarkS
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    Come, thou font of every blessing
    All people that on earth...
    At the Lamb's high feast... (although my first response was a song I learned as a kid, "On the first Thanksgiving day")
    What star is this...
    Sing we now of Christmas
    Alleluia! Sing to Jesus
    Angels from the realms of glory
    —on the tip of my tongue, not coming—
    Joyful, joyful,...
    Hail the day that sees Him rise
    Fairest Lord Jesus
    Let all things now living
    —nothing—
    O bless the Lord, my soul
    (Ton-y-Botel) Thy strong word did cleave the darkness
    Come, ye thankful people...
  • Sing A New Church (Sorry, my old church lol used to sing this too much)
    All People that on Earth Do Dwell
    Songs of Thankfulness and Praise
    Come Thou Redeemer of the Earth
    Now the Green Blade Riseth
    Love Divine...
    Glory Be to God the Father
    God Created Earth and Heaven (Really...)
    Sing with All the Saints in Glory
    Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise
    Fairest Lord Jesus
    Let All Things now Living
    Tantum Ergo (? Wade?)
    The Advent of Our God
    Silence! Frenzied, Unclean Spirit! (http://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/11409/combine-two-or-more-hymn-titles-to-create-something-new)
    Come, Ye Thankful People, Come

    My choices are from someone who has only been exposed to good sacred music for a short period of time...
    Thanked by 1MarkS
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Nettleton - Come Thou fount
    Old Hundredth - Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow
    Salzburg - At the Lamb's High Feast
    Puer Nobis .- That Easter Day
    Noel Nouvelet - Sing We Now of Christmas
    Hyfrydol - Alleluia Sing to Jesus
    Regent Square - ANgels FROM the REEEEEAAAALMS of GLORY!
    Beach Spring - God of Day and God of Darkness
    Ode to Joy - Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee
    Llanfair - Hail the Day
    St. Elizabeth -n/a
    Ash Grove - Sent Forth by God's Blessing
    St. Thomas - Tantum Ergo
    St. Thomas (Williams) - n/a
    Ebenezer - Signs of Ending all Around Us
    St. George's Windsor - Come Ye Thankful People
  • RevAMG
    Posts: 162
    Nettleton — God, We Praise You
    Old Hundredth — All People That on Earth Do Dwell
    Salzburg — At the Lamb’s High Feast We Sing
    Puer Nobis — That Easter Day with Joy Was Bright
    Noel Nouvelet — Now the Green Blade Rises
    Hyfrydol — Love Divine, All Loves Excelling
    Regent Square — Angels, from the Realms of Glory
    Beach Spring — Lord, Whose Love in Humble Service
    Ode to Joy — Joyful, Joyful We Adore Thee
    Llanfair — Christ the Lord is Risen Today
    St. Elizabeth — Beautiful Savior (Crusader’s Hymn)
    Ash Grove — Let All Things Now Living
    St. Thomas — Tantum Ergo
    St. Thomas (Williams) — O Bless the Lord, My Soul
    Ebenezer — [No association]
    St. George's Windsor — Come, Ye Thankful People, Come
  • To Puer Nobis I would add
    'What star is this that beams so bright'
    'O splendour of God's glory bright'
    'Come thou, redeemer of the earth'


    And these tunes? What text(s) do you associate with them?

    This endris nyght
    Blaenwern
    Winchester Old
    Wareham
    Merton
    St Albinus
    St Magnus
    Third Mode Melody
    Tallis' Canon
    (other than 'All praise to thee, my God, this night')
    White Ladies Aston
    Duke Street (how many)
    Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...')
    Darwall's 148th
    Gonfalon Royal
    St Fulbert

    How many sing Ode to Joy with the correct rhythm entering the last line?
    How many sing Helmsley with the correct rhythm in the last line?
    How many sing Lourdes Hymn with the correct rhythm in the refrain?

    There is a lovely tune called Brompton Road in The Catholic Hymnbook (pub: Gracewing, England) with the text 'Sing, my tongue, the glorious battle'. Are any of you familiar with it? While it's nice (though a tad anemic for this text), I, personally, would never consider any but the plainchant tune whether singing the Latin or the English of this hymn.

    Thanked by 1MarkS
  • MarkS
    Posts: 282
    I would like to see a show of hands from everyone who could identify the tune WHITE LADIES ASTON. (I was not one of you!)

    I enjoy the whimsical names given to hymn tunes, but this one is in it's own category. I would love to hear the story behind the name! It turns out to be quite a lovely little modal tune, which I am certain I have never run across.
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • Liam
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq5jVFEqPiM

    So high churchy. Just needs giant puppets in brocade.
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • High churchy indeed! Ha! Liam's (raucous) example is nothing at all like (saving for a very loose melodic resemblance and modality) the sedate text and mode iii version that I stumbled across in the 1906 edition of The English Hymnal. By Ivor Atkins, it may be found at no. 400 therein, set to this text by W. Cowper:
    'Hark, may soul! It is the Lord;
    'Tis thy Saviour, hear his word;
    Jesus speaks, and speaks to thee:
    "Say, poor sinner, lov'st thou me?"'

    Sung at just the right tempo it could be rather meditative and reverent.
    There are numerous other 7.7.7.7. texts that are more worthy by far.
  • Liam
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    Hymnary sources it to only one other hymnal. I guess it's one of the 1906EH tunes that didn't beget a legacy.
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  • ViolaViola
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    I know White Ladies Aston, and I have actually been there, it's in Worcestershire, and has a good team of morris dancers, I believe. The village got its name from a mediaeval Cistercian nunnery nearby. There are quite a number of Anglican hymns named after English villages, eg Down Ampney, King's Weston etc

    Hymn tunes:

    Nettleton Sing of Andrew, John's disciple (this is in Scotland)
    Old Hundredth All people that on earth do dwell
    Salzburg At the Lamb's high feast we sing
    also Little king so fair and sweet (learned at primary school)
    Puer Nobis Unto us a boy is born (but I think this is a different tune)
    Puer nobis (another tune) Come thou redeemer of the earth
    Noel Nouvelet Now the green blade riseth
    Hyfrydol Alleluia, sing to Jesus
    Regent Square Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendour
    Beach Spring God of day and God of darkness
    Ode to Joy Sing of Christ proclaim His glory (and yes, we do the correct rhythm)
    Llanfair Hail the day that sees Him rise
    St. Elizabeth Fairest Lord Jesus
    Ash Grove The folk song of that name. Don't know of a hymn set to it. I believe there was a hideous thing called The Ash Grove Gloria, set to that tune, One of those things where the creator saw fit to adapt the text from the Missal to fit the tune. Now banned, thankfully.
    St. Thomas Pange lingua, or Sing my tongue, the glorious battle Tune is by Samuel Webbe the elder
    St. Thomas (Williams) ?
    Ebenezer O the deep deep love of Jesus (beautiful Welsh tune)
    St. George's Windsor Come ye thankful people, come

    and the next lot:
    This endris nyght This endris night I saw a sight
    Blaenwern Love Divine
    Winchester Old While Shepherds watched (This has many tunes including a wonderful Yorkshire one called On Ilkley Moor bah't 'at
    Wareham The glory of the cross we sing
    Merton Hark, a herald voice is calling
    St Albinus Jesus lives! thy terrors now
    St MagnusThe head that once was crowned with thorns (big celebrations in Orkney this summer to mark the 900th anniversary of the martyrdom of St Magnus)
    Third Mode Melody I heard the voice of Jesus say
    Tallis' Canon (other than 'All praise to thee, my God, this night') Almighty Father, Lord most high
    White Ladies Aston Hark my soul, it is the Lord
    Duke Street (how many) Here it is reserved for Fight the Good Fight
    Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') see above
    Darwall's 148th Reoice, the Lord is king
    Gonfalon Royal The royal banners forward go
    St Fulbert The race that once in darkness pined
  • ...(but I think this is a different tune)

    Paul -

    It is indeed.
    'Unto us a boy is born' is sung to Puer natus, not Puer nobis.
    Puer natus has that up and down a fifth melisma at the end that children have such fun with.

    Interesting that you paired St Fulbert with 'The race that once...'. I associate it almost exclusively with 'Ye choirs of new Jerusalem' (CM version) - see EH no. 139.

    Over here Duke Street is most commonly paired with 'Jesus shall reign where're the sun' and 'I know that my redeemer lives'.

    And interestingly - you put 'Almighty Father, Lord most high' with Tallis' Canon. I've not heard this pairing, but it's really nice. This doctrinally sound offertory hymn was written by the Anglo-Catholic priest, C.S.S. Coles at the turn of the XIXth-XXth centuries and appears paired with a mode vi plainchant tune in Sir Sidney H. Nicholson's A Plainsong Hymnbook, published in 1932 under the aegis of Hymns A&M.

    Also interestingly, Sir Sydney pairs 'Let all mortal flesh' with the mode i tune for the Good Friday hymn, Crux fidelis. It is remarkably effective and makes a nice change from Picardy - though 'Mortal flesh' and Picardy are by now a hallowed pair. One might try the Crux fidelis tune with a choir or schola.
  • SalieriSalieri
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    Nettleton = n/a
    Old Hundredth = All people that on earth do dwell (I also use this for Kathy's Introits)
    Salzburg = At the Lamb's high feast
    Puer Nobis = Come thou redeemer
    Noel Nouvelet = Noel Nouvelet (oddly enough)
    Hyfrydol = Alleluia, sing to Jesus
    Regent Square = Angels from the realms of glory
    Beach Spring = n/a
    Ode to Joy = Freude, schone Gotterfunken, tochter aus Elysium
    Llanfair = Christ the Lord is ris'n today
    St. Elizabeth = n/a
    Ash Grove = Let all things now living
    St. Thomas = Tantum Ergo
    St. Thomas (Williams) = n/a
    Ebenezer = n/a
    St. George's Windsor = Hail Redeemer, King divine
    ---
    This endris nyght = Thys ender nyght
    Blaenwern = n/a
    Winchester Old = While shepherds watched
    Wareham = (I use this as a tune for Kathy's metrical Introits, so there are too many texts to name
    Merton = n/a
    St Albinus = n/a
    St Magnus = Ye choirs of new Jerusalem
    Third Mode Melody = Why fum'th in sight the gentile's spite
    Tallis' Canon = O thou immortal holy light
    White Ladies Aston = n/a
    Duke Street (how many) = Jesus shall reign; I know that my redeemer lives; also Kathy's Introit Hymns
    Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') = n/a
    Darwall's 148th = Ye holy angels bright
    Gonfalon Royal = n/a
    St Fulbert = n/a
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  • ViolaViola
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    "Also interestingly, Sir Sydney pairs 'Let all mortal flesh' with the mode i tune for the Good Friday hymn, Crux fidelis. It is remarkably effective and makes a nice change from Picardy - though 'Mortal flesh' and Picardy are by now a hallowed pair. One might try the Crux fidelis tune with a choir or schola. "

    Here we do it the other way round and sing the English translation of Crux Fidelis, ie Faithful Cross, above all other.... to Picardy.
    And St Fulbert is also used for Ye Choirs of New Jerusalem here too. It's just that we've been using it for The race that once.. over Epiphany and Candlemas.
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • TCJ
    Posts: 966
    Nettleton - God We Praise You
    Old Hundredth - All Hail Adored Trinity
    Salzburg - At the Lamb's High Feast
    Puer Nobis - What Star Is This/That Easter Day
    Noel Nouvelet - Now the Green Blade Riseth
    Hyfrydol - Alleluia, Sing to Jesus/Love Divine, All Loves Excelling
    Regent Square - Angels from the Realms of Glory
    Beach Spring - None
    Ode to Joy - Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee
    Llanfair - Christ the Lord Is Risen Today/Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise
    St. Elizabeth - Beautiful Savior
    Ash Grove - Sent Forth by God's Blessing
    St. Thomas - Tantum Ergo
    St. Thomas (Williams) - The Advent of Our King
    Ebenezer - None
    St. George's Windsor - Come Ye Thankful People, Come
  • Nettleton - none
    Old Hundredth - All People that on Earth do Dwell
    Salzburg - none
    Puer Nobis - none (some phrases at the start, Unto us a Child is born - but not the whole thing)
    Noel Nouvelet - Now the Green Blade Riseth
    Hyfrydol - Alleluia Sing to Jesus
    Regent Square - none
    Beach Spring - God of Day and God of Darkness
    Ode to Joy - Come Sing a Song of Joy
    Llanfair - none
    St. Elizabeth - none
    Ash Grove - none. It's a Welsh folk song. There's so much Druidic symbolism around the Ash tree that I'd be very sceptical of any hymn set to the tune.
    St. Thomas - none
    St. Thomas (Williams) - none
    Ebenezer - none
    St. George's Windsor - none


    This endris nyght - none
    Blaenwern - none
    Winchester Old - While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks by Night
    Wareham - none
    Merton - Hark a Thrilling Voice is Sounding
    St Albinus - none
    St Magnus - none
    Third Mode Melody
    Tallis' Canon (other than 'All praise to thee, my God, this night') - Glory to thee my God this night (other uses of the tune that I've heard are secular)
    White Ladies Aston - couldn't find the tune
    Duke Street (how many) - none
    Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') - still none
    Darwall's 148th - none
    Gonfalon Royal - none
    St Fulbert - none

    A word about "none" - this means that there's no hymn which immediately springs to mind when I hear the tune. I now know of many of the common hymns associated with some of these tunes - but no so well that there's an immediate association.
  • nun_34nun_34
    Posts: 66
    Nettleton - God, we praise you; however, until a few years ago when we moved to singing mainly propers, I would have said Blessed feasts of blessed martyrs which we used often as an entrance hymn
    Old Hundredth - All hail, adored Trinity (3 verses, with Praise God from Whom all blessings flow appended as a 4th verse)
    Salzburg - Songs of thankfulness and praise
    Puer Nobis - That Easter day with joy was bright
    Noel Nouvelet - none (I associate Green Blade with another tune)
    Hyfrydol - Alleluia! Sing to Jesus and (equally) Love divine, all loves excelling
    Regent Square - Angels from the realms of glory
    Beach Spring - Portal of the world's salvation (for the Visitation, or a Saturday memorial of the BVM)
    Ode to Joy - Sing with all the sons of glory
    Llanfair - Hail the day that sees him rise
    St. Elizabeth - none
    Ash Grove - Let all things now living
    St. Thomas - Tantum ergo
    St. Thomas (Williams) - none
    Ebenezer - none
    St. George's Windsor - Come, ye thankful people, come


    This endris nyght - none
    Blaenwern - none
    Winchester Old - none
    Wareham - none
    Merton - Hark! A thrilling voice is calling
    St Albinus - none
    St Magnus - none
    Third Mode Melody - none
    Tallis' Canon - none
    White Ladies Aston - none
    Duke Street (how many) - only Jesus shall reign where e'er the sun
    Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') - only Angels
    Darwall's 148th - Rejoice, the Lord is king
    Gonfalon Royal - Sing to the Lord a joyful song
    St Fulbert - none

    As far as rhythms, we sing them as printed in our hymnals, correctly as printed; I can't speak for the correctness of the editors who printed the hymnals.
  • Here are a few more -

    Gwalchmai
    St Stephen
    The First Nowell
    Redhead No. 47
    Gevaert
    Lux Eoi
    In Babilone
    Bryn Calfaria
    Rockingham
    Dulce Carmen
    Cobb
    Dix
    Ratisbon
    Ab Hyd Y Nos
    St Clement
    Mendon
    St Matthew
    Newman
    Cranham
    Redhead No. 46
    Redhead No. 76


  • ViolaViola
    Posts: 394
    Gwalchmai King of glory, king of peace
    St Stephen (is this the one also known as Abridge?) We don't use it, but our local Church Of Scotland, where I sometimes play the organ, uses it to Praise waits for thee in Zion
    The First Nowell er,,,,the First Nowell
    Redhead No. 47 Christ is king of earth and heaven
    Gevaert ? have a feeling it's a Christmas carol of some sort
    Lux Eoi This tune by Sir Arthur Sullivan is sung by the Church of England to Alleluia, alleluia, Hearts to heaven and voices raise
    In Babilone There's a wideness in God's mercy
    Bryn Calfaria ?
    Rockingham When I survey the wondrous cross Samuel Webbe the Younger wrote an intersting harmony to this tune
    Dulce Carmen Tantum ergo
    Cobb ?
    Dix As with gladness men of old
    Ratisbon ?
    Ab Hyd Y Nos Should be Ar Hyd Y Nos Day is done but love unending (also Welsh folk song All through the night)
    St Clement The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended
    Mendon ?
    St Matthew Another C of S one The earth belongs to God alone
    Newman ?
    Cranham In the bleak midwinter
    Redhead No. 46 ?
    Redhead No. 76 also known as Petra.. Rock of ages
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  • MarkS
    Posts: 282
    Gwalchmai Christ the Lord is risen today
    St. Stephen The King shall come when morning dawns
    The First Nowell ...yup!
    Redhead 47 When our heads are bowed with woe
    Gevaert Here betwixt ass and oxen mild (I learned the carol in French first, but all I remember is 'boeuf'!)
    Lux Eoi Alleluia, Alleluia ....
    In Babilone There's a wideness...
    Bryn Calfaria Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendor (which I love to pair with the Vaughan Williams 'Prelude' on same)
    Rockingham My God, thy table now is set (but also 'When I survey...')
    Dulce Carmen Lead us, heavenly father, lead us
    Cobb Come, pure hearts, in sweetest measure
    Dix For the beauty of the earth (I know, it's not the 'real' tune, but that's how I learned it)
    Ratisbon Christ, whose glory fills the skies
    Ar hyd y nos For the fruits of your creation
    St. Clement The day thou gavest...
    St. Matthew Thine arm, O Lord, in days of old
    Cranham In the bleak midwinter
    Redhead 46 .... pretty sure I've never heard this tune!
    Redhead 76 Go to dark Gethsemane
  • Nettleton - Hymns I don't really like all that much
    Old Hundredth - Come to His Aid, O Saints of God
    Salzburg - At the Lamb's High Feast
    Puer Nobis - Puer Nobis
    Noel Nouvelet - Now the Green Blade Riseth
    Hyfrydol - Alleluia, Sing to Jesus
    Regent Square - Angels from the Realms
    Beach Spring - Love Divine, All Loves Excelling
    Ode to Joy - Freude, Schoene Gotterfunken Tochter aus Elysium
    Llanfair - N/A
    St. Elizabeth - Beautiful Saviour
    Ash Grove - Sent Forth by God's Blessing
    St. Thomas - Nothing if I can help it
    St. Thomas (Williams) - O Bless the Lord, My Soul
    Ebenezer - N/A
    St. George's Windsor - Come, Ye Thankful People
  • Interesting pairings with Dulce Carmen.
    Here we know it as the 'good-bye to alleluya' hymn, 'Alleluya, song of gladness', and sing it on the last Sunday after the Epiphany (the Sunday next before Septuagesima if you're Ordinariate folk, or the Sunday next before Ash Wednesday if you're a lingering Episcopalian or Anglican). See no. 54 in The Hymnal 1940, or no. 82 in Hymns Ancient and Modern (1924)

    (And, speaking of 'good-bye to alleluya', how many here bury alleluia for Lent.)
  • MarkS
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    ...how many here bury alleluia for Lent


    The kids at my present church make a large 'Alleluia' banner each year after Epiphany, and then, after service on the last Sunday after Epiphany, hide it somewhere in the church until Easter morning, when they get to pull it out again and hang it at the back of the Nave. No 'Alleluia's' during Lent here!
  • ViolaViola
    Posts: 394
    I like that.
    We are cramming in as many alleluias as we can on Feb 26th prior to fasting from them.

    One year at a Lent Station Mass some ill-advised or just plain ignorant choir struck up with Alleluia, sing to Jesus. The bishop leapt up as though he had been given an electric shock and ordered them to stop.
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  • Gwalchmai - none
    St Stephen - none
    The First Nowell - ahh... The First Noel
    Redhead No. 47 - Youtube is only suggesting No 76 to me.
    Gevaert - Youtube not showing me the tune, so I don't know
    Lux Eoi - none
    In Babilone - There's a Wideness in God's Mercy
    Bryn Calfaria - none
    Rockingham - When I Survey the Wondrous Cross
    Dulce Carmen - none
    Cobb - Youtube not showing me the tune, so I don't know
    Dix - for the Beauty of the Earth
    Ratisbon - none
    Ab Hyd Y Nos - Day is Done but Love Unfailing
    St Clement - it's almost the tune that was used for an Australian folk setting of The Lord is my Shepherd (Boniwell)- but not quite.
    Mendon - none
    St Matthew none
    Newman - Praise to the Holiest in the Height
    Cranham - In the Bleak Midwinter
    Redhead No. 46 - none
    Redhead No. 76 - none