Ornamentation in hymn accompaniments (was: How common is it...)
  • SalieriSalieri
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    ...for organists to embellish the tune of a hymn, while it's being sung? I know that this was common practice in the days of gallery bands, but I've never heard this discussed in workshops or classes on hymn accompaniment, so I'm just wondering if anyone else does this. (Image attached of the kind of thing I mean.)
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  • MBWMBW
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    Really good question! I do it a bit - on very well known tunes in later verses.
  • BenBen
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    I've seen more advanced organists do things like this occasionally, especially in the case of final verses.
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  • kenstb
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    I do it too, but only when I'm bored or feeling particularly mischievous.
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  • Caleferink
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    Sometimes I'll pull the trumpet en chamade out and solo out the melody for a stanza, especially if it is a lesser-known tune or one with which people seem to be struggling. On the really solid ones (e.g., "Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee" this week for my recessional), I'll sometimes use or create an alternate harmonization for the last stanza (as long as I remind the choir to sing that stanza in unison).
  • CCoozeCCooze
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    We used to have an organist (may his soul rest in peace) who would not only embellish his part during the singing (at that time it was just a men's melody-only chorus, so not messing with other voice-parts), but quite often modulate between verses - especially leading up to the last verse.
    It was always interesting to hear, as well as to guess when the next verse was going to begin...
  • CharlesW
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    As a rule, I don't do much of it. I was even told at one time to cut back on descants, since they obscure the melody line for the congregation. Oh, well...
  • SalieriSalieri
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    I find that this type or ornamentation works especially well for 18th century tunes where lush harmonies a la David Willcocks seem out of place. (Alternately it doesn't work very well with THAXTED or DOWN AMPNEY, go figure.)
  • francis
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    I use this technique very judiciously. Bach would go nuts on this one and lose the entire congregation.
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  • Liam
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    Answer: Not common in Kathlick klimes in the USA.

    Reserved for Warhorse Tunes that congregations will sing no matter what happens with the organ and choir.
  • FidemInFidebusFidemInFidebus
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    I'd say common, I do it sometimes but like others usually save the frills for the last verse, and nothing so heavy that people can't follow along. It's fun to carry over my ornamentation knowledge to the keyboard, something I never imagined I'd do until I became a church accompanist...
  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    Yes, I've done that sort of thing before, but you've given me the brilliant idea of writing out my embellishments. I've just been kind of memorizing them, which of course limits me to what I can remember, which isn't so much, really.
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    I do it all the time. I'll play one or two stanzas straight on different sounds, one with full swell, one with solo reed, one with only an 8' principal, another with nothing more than one or two flutes, and so on, perhaps harmonising each stanza differently - what I do specifically depends entirely on the text and the tune. If the people are singing well, I find that they sing even better when the organ is doing something interesting - for reason, it is intellectually stimulating and they respond to this, they can sense that they are part of something of substance and 'get with it'. As for people who don't like or forbid descants, they are grinches. Descants only make the hymn more beautiful and participating in it more rewarding. The alpha and the omega, though, is sensitivity to text. It's all about involving people with the text and aiding textual comprehension. As for interludes between stanzas, these should be used only if the hymn needs stretching out time-wise. As for modulating to different keys, this is bad taste.
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  • MichaelDickson
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    Our organist sometimes does it, I think when she judges it unlikely to confuse the congregation. I like it, when done well, as a complement to congregational singing. In that case, it can have the effect of drawing attention to the congregation. (When done badly, it draws attention to itself.)
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Here's an exreme ... and extremely amazing ... example of such improvisation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83i-_Sn26CI

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