Off-topic remarks about names
  • chonakchonak
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    This discussion was created from comments split from: Bp. Barron's Advent Day 5 Reflection.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    I find myself in complete agreement (at least with the bolded remarks) with Bishop Barron.

    On another note, though, how did a priest called Barron get made a bishop in the era of "not like Renaissance princes"? One might just as soon elect a pope from the late cardinal of Manilla, Jaime Sin.
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Chris, you so funny. It would be interesting if the current Cardinal from the Philippines (Tagle) dons the fisherman's shoes.
  • ronkrisman
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    One should never make jokes about people's names. After all, doesn't Záveský in Czech denote a "peasant" or a "hick"?
  • kenstb
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    The Philippines has two cardinals doesn't it? BTW, Jaime Cardinal Sin was a great man.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Fr. Krisman,

    I'll have to ask my in-laws. Long story.

    That said, are you being obtuse? I wasn't critiquing the name of the bishop or of the Cardinal, but merely remarking that in our day of symbol over substance, of the appearance of poverty, humility and mercy, naming a bishop Barron seemed out of kilter.
  • ronkrisman
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    To accommodate scripture, "Quid Quod scripsisti scripsisti."
  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    Your quote from Pontius Pilate is one I like often to use. There is something satisfyingly definitive about it - as in 'no retreat'.

    However, etymology aside, Garton-Zavesky doesn't at all have a 'hicky' ring to it - at least to those of us who don't know Czech. I can easily imagine it preceded by 'baron' or 'count' or some such.
  • chonakchonak
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    Quod, I think.

    Yes, one occasionally finds odd names among clergymen. In my old home town, one local pastor was named Fr. Savage.

    And there are cases in the higher ranks too, e.g., Kasper.

  • ronkrisman
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    Yes, "quod." (Correction made)

    Still, one should not make fun of people's names.
  • Scott_WScott_W
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    I had a professor named Dr. Butt who cracked jokes that he was thinking of hyphenating his name with his wife with the maiden name of White. His first daughter would be named Lily. True story.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Fr. Krisman,

    Truly, I wasn't having sport at Bishop Barron's expense, or Cardinal Sin's. You're somehow still missing the point.

    Thank you for your priesthood.

    God bless,

    Chris
  • chonakchonak
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    Maybe it came across in a way you didn't intend.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Chonak,

    Possible.

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