cancion with recited verse
  • mamaherrera
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    I want to use this song: Al atardecer de la Vida: and it has a verse where one person recites over a sung phrase. Is that??appropriate to do during offertory???
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Sure, if you're blessed with a celebrant who likes to do his Elvis imitation while presiding over Mass;-)
    mamah, the purple means we're kidding, not to be taken in umbrage.
    Seriously, I wouldn't go there.
  • mamaherrera
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    so you say no??? Thanks for explaining that you're kidding, I take things to heart. I heard one church do it on Youtube and it sounds nice, but very different from normal mass no?
  • MichaelDickson
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    I agree with melo. It could both sound nice and not be appropriate for mass.
  • mamaherrera
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    No I totally understand, I get what you're saying. What ocp puts out, isn't always appropriate. I kind of was in torment about it myself, so thanks for giving input.
  • PaxMelodious
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    Why would it not be appropriate?
  • mamaherrera
    Posts: 57
    oh wow!! Now I"m so curious. Who should I ask, the priest?
  • chonakchonak
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    It sounds like a theatrical and dramatic practice (which could be appropriate in a concert, but is not a good thing at Mass).

    For those interested, the text of the song is here, and several videos with the song are here.

    Incidentally, the song is 4 1/2 minutes long, which could be too long for an offertory song.
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  • mamaherrera
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    so if I need extra verses, just somehow maybe include that fourth verse, but have it be sung, maybe over the ostinato, but just sung like the rest of the verses?
  • mamaherrera
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    and just rereading your post, I probably won't get to the 4th verse anyways to have it be an issue. but to sing it, would be ok, if we get there, right?
  • chonakchonak
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    Could you perhaps present it at communion?

    And yes, if you compose a melody for the fourth verse, perhaps a solo voice could sing it.
  • mamaherrera
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    Yes I was thinking of just using most of the 4th verse, keep the same melody as 1-3 verses, and put it over the ostinato. and yes, I guess I could do it at communion.
  • chonakchonak
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    That composer also wrote "Pescador de Hombres", which is also slow and dramatic, and does not have an interesting melody. I can't say that this is great music.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    "Pescador de Hombres", which is also slow and dramatic


    ¿Cómo se dice "au contraire" in Español?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNU9zrZQKhM
  • mamaherrera
    Posts: 57
    wELL, to say that, is to insult my musical tastes. I actually love Pescador de Hombres and I like this song too. they both inspire me to meditate and reflect on my relationship with God.
  • chonakchonak
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    Perhaps it is the text of the songs that people find appealing, because the musical aspects are so, well, limited.

    Of course, there's nothing wrong with personally liking simple songs.
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  • mamaherrera
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    So much of it has to do with what you put into a song, that makes it a song.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    I like Pescador de Hombres, and I recognize it as not great music.

    These things are not mutually exclusive, and I would never be offended if someone said a song I liked was actually terrible. I might disagree (or I might not), but I wouldn't be insulted.
    Thanked by 2Ben melofluent
  • mamaherrera
    Posts: 57
    Thanks to those who gave me the advice on the recitation of the 4th verse, I will work it in somehow but sung.
  • BenBen
    Posts: 3,114
    So much of it has to do with what you put into a song, that makes it a song.


    But more of it has to do with how it was composed...
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