Parish Book of Metrical Propers set to Common Meter Hymn Tunes: PBMPCMHT.
  • bonniebede
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    This is a brilliant idea. (HT Salieri) I've just been tasked with starting a new choir for our Family Mass - and realising what a gap such a thing could fill. I know some people have already done some work on this, trying to find and compile resources to here.
    We have the English propers as used in SEP easily accessible for reference from Bens lovely spread sheet.

    SEP

    There is also Andrews work, and Kathy's.
    Can you suggest suitable hymn tunes for various seasons? With their metre. Can you suggest or provide a psalm tone to go with them, so they can be sung alternating with the metrical proper? How about organ accompaniment, or even (don't shoot me) guitar chords?

    You might hate this idea - and if you and your parish can move quickly to proper Propers, if you know what I mean, good for you. I'm still at the stage of trying to make very little steps in the right direction, and this would actually help. No more 'Somewhere over the rainbow' for communion time on Corpus Christi). ((yes, we actually did.))((( I know, I know))) ((((Yes, I said that too.))))
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  • bonniebede
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    Adam Wood posted this in 2011

    Introit for the first Sunday in advent


    Adam Wrote:

    Hey! Advent is right around the corner!!

    Related to this thread.

    I like the idea of Tietze Introit hymns a lot, but I don't care for the specifics of the execution.

    What I like about the idea is:
    -It's the Proper text. Hoo-rah!
    -While the Offertory and Communion song/hymns can easily (well...) be replaced with Chants or other choral works, the *Processional Hymn* seems like a hard nut to crack.
    -Having a Proper text set to a congregational hymn in the Protesant style seems like a very worthwhile thing in the world which deliberately and traditionally lives on the border between Catholicism and Protestantism (Anglo-Catholics; Anglican Use Catholics; High Church varietals of Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, and others; etc...)

    What I don't like so much:
    -I can't say I particularly care for the way the texts are set poetically.
    -Lots of hymn tunes I don't know. Which almost certainly means lots of hymn tunes most congregations don't know.
    -Lots of uncommon meters, making it difficult to correct the above point through re-setting to another tune.
    -Under copyright. So even if I had a tune I could set some particular text to, I'm not sure I'd be allowed to. Plus, can I put them in my programs? I don't know.

    ******SO, THEREFORE...******

    In a fit of Ritalin-induced creativity (and thanks be to God for my new doctor, and his Rx pad), and inspired by Kathy's compliment, I wrote some hymn adaptations of the Advent Introits.

    Things to note:
    1.I set the antiphon in one stanza, and compressed the ideas of the Psalm verses into two stanzas. If you repeat the Antiphon after the two other stanzas, and then sing a metrical doxology, you've got a five-stanza hymn, which I think is just about right for a good processional.
    2.These are VERY OBVIOUSLY PARAPHRASES. Sometimes I'm able to hew very closely. Sometimes I had to take liberties, which (of course) requires some interpretation of the underlying meaning. For that reason, I don't think that these satisfy "Option 1." I think of them as above-average Option 4.
    3.I put all of them in LM (88 88). This is because:
    •It's my favorite meter.
    •It gives potential users a pretty wide variety of options, and could even allow someone to re-use the same melody and doxology throughout the season.
    •I was thinking of Conditor Alme Siderum

    4.This is a first draft. As always, suggestions and critiques are helpful.
    5.I will likely release these under a Creative Commons license, but notice that I have not yet.
    6.Given the speed of their production, I cannot vouch for the quality.


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    Advent 1 - Introit

    My soul is raised, in Faith, O God,
    Let not my trust be put to shame.
    Let not the evil ones be pleased;
    Save those who wait upon your Name.

    Make me to know your ways, O Lord;
    Guide me along your pathways true.
    You are the God who saves my soul,
    All through the day I hoped in you.

    Your love, and your compassion, God,
    Are from of old, have always been.
    Remember, in your goodness, Lord-
    remember me, forget my sin.

    ---
    Advent 2 - Introit

    O Zion, and your people, hear
    The majesty of God's own voice.
    All nations shall be saved by him
    Who stirs your spirit to rejoice.

    O shepherd, hear your people cry,
    Shine forth and lead us by your grace.
    Rise up in might to save your own,
    Bring us to you, show us your face.

    How long, O God of Hosts, how long?
    How long shall tears be daily bread?
    How long shall weeping fill our days?
    How long, O Lord, this night of dread?

    --
    Advent 3 - Introit

    Rejoice, all people, in the Lord!
    Rejoice, I say again, Rejoice!
    Be never anxious for this world.
    In prayer to God, raise up your voice.

    The captive children of our race,
    You set them free from sin's strong hand.
    You turned your wrath away, O God.
    And led them to your promised land.

    Bring us into that land, O God.
    Let not our sin call forth your rage.
    Show us your mercy, set us free.
    Let mercy be from age to age.

    --
    Advent 4 - Introit

    Like morning dew, the Just One comes.
    From heaven He, like rain, descends.
    And from the Earth, which bears him forth,
    the Saviour of our race ascends.

    The skies proclaim the pow'r of God,
    The star shine forth the message clear.
    Day unto day the sound goes forth,
    Night unto night, til all shall hear.

    Across the sky, the Sun shall race,
    Rejoicing as it brings the day.
    The morning of our joy has come,
    the light of love will show the way.

    ---

    Possible Doxology:

    To God the Father, God the Son,
    And to the Spirit, Glory be.
    All praises to the Three in One,
    All glory to the One in Three.
  • bonniebede
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    Kathy and CHGiffen have some lovely work here

    advent calendar of hymn tune introits

    and here

    hymn tune introits for advent
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  • bonniebede
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    Here is another project of this sort, Adam woods 'Flexible English propers, with Noel and Kathy also

    flexible English propers
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  • PeterJ
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    Some more here:
    http://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/11229/seasonal-metrical-hymn-propers#Item_1

    This thread is entitled "...common meter hymn tunes..." . If you're looking to expand this project out, personally, I do not recommend sticking only to CM. Although CM has its advantages (e.g. opens up a whole load of plainchant hymn tunes), and I have read the rationale given above, I would suggest that being a bit more flexible about the metre: (i) allows a bit more variety, and (ii) makes it slightly easier to get a reasonably poetic + accurate translation - sometimes forcing a translation into CM doesn't always do it justice.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    I abandoned the Flexible English Propers project, after an initial burst of effort, because after further consideration I didn't think it was all that useful. If that isn't the case, and people would actually use it, I'd pick it back up again.
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  • I also did a set of these, way back-when. I used them in my Cincinnati parish, and the pastor like them. Moved to Houston, and the pastor was upset that I wasn’t doing “O Come, O Come” on Advent 1. (Truth …) Then I went to an Anglican Use parish where they did hymn + a simple proper. Now I’m at a parish that sings actual Gregorian propers.

    I used to like the hymn-propers idea. Nowadays I tend to think that this idea looks better on paper than it actually is in the minds and mouths of congregants, many of whom (I think) feel funny putting new words to a familiar melody and so many just stop singing—regardless of the innate quality of the text that they’re actually being given to sing.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    My idea for the FEP was (for the Offertory and Communion) to use chant hymntunes that would be easy to sing but mostly unfamiliar, avoiding the weirdness.

    Again, though - I'm not sure this would get used, which is why I stopped doing it.
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  • Adam / Felipe - interesting. I can see why you reached the conclusions that you did. When I was experimenting with the little project I linked above I came to the view that something along these lines could perhaps be of some use in the parish, but:
    (i) rather than take the GR propers, go for setting the GS propers, so that each hymn could be re-used within a season (no-one is going to take to a hymn that they sing only once a year!);
    (ii) make the project have more of an emphasis on producing metrical psalms that fit the GS propers for that Season, rather than "hymnising the antiphon", if that makes any sense.

    My thinking was that this way the project would be much smaller in scope (easier to do), and also have dual use as a source of metrical settings of the psalms / fragments of the psalms (plus also the project could make use of pre-existing metrical psalms such as from the Scottish Psalter). I'm a fan of hymns like "The Lord's my shepherd" and "All people that on earth do dwell" so my thought was that we could probably benefit from even a handful more hymns like that - a couple for each season.

    I originally thought that perhaps we could just make better use of existing metrical psalmody (e.g. Scottish Psalter) but when I looked at Advent and Christmas, I wasn't entirely sure about some of the existing settings I saw (hence I had a little go at a few ones myself).

    ... but perhaps even this iteration is just another thing that sounds good on paper but, as Felipe says, won't be of much use in practice? (I abandoned this project too...!)

    Sorry, bit of a ramble, but those were my thoughts on this when I looked at it a few years ago.
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  • SalieriSalieri
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    Perhaps a good (Catholic) Metrical Psalter might be worth developing. Granted any translation, whether Metrical or Prose, has its pitfalls, and we want to steer clear of Abp Parker's doggerel, and the Sernhold & Hopkins Old Version can be a bit silly at times. Tate & Brady's New Version (of "While Shepherds Watch'd" fame) are generally very good, and the Scottish Psalter has some nice translations. I recently bought a copy of Christopher Weber's A New Metical Psalter, Church Publishing, 1986, which has a very generous copyright notice:
    This book may be reproduced by a congregation for its own use without charge or permission. Commercial reproduction, or reproduction for sale, of any portion of this book or of the book as a whole, without the written permission of the publisher, is prohibited.

    Unfortunately this book doesn't contain all of the Psalms, but only those used in the Lectionary of the Episcopal Church, so some supplementing from Tate & Brady or the like would be needed.

    With these combined resources, a metrical setting for every Graduale proper taken from the Psalms would be easy to glean, and would only have to be supplemented by new translations of those propers taken from other Biblical sources. Caveat: in practise it seems that the best use for Metrical Propers is the Introit, and perhaps the Offertory. The Communion chant is better done a la Responsorial Psalm, since often the Antiphons themselves are so short that they cannot easily be put into Metered Verse.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Perhaps a good (Catholic) Metrical Psalter might be worth developing.


    I agree, though one wonders what would cause it to be explicitly Catholic, other than perhaps the identity of its creator.

    I have mentioned in the past that I would like to see a good metrical psalter just for use as hymnody, and I seem to recall Fr. K mentioning that GIA had recently published something like that.

    I have thought about starting a collaborative effort on GitHub to create an Open Source Metrical Psalter. If anyone has a lot of interest in that sort of thing, let me know.
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  • SalieriSalieri
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    Adam, by Catholic I was really just meaning a book with the requisite 'published by approval of the Office of Divine worship, diocese of Yada-yada', etc, and therefore can be used at Mass.
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  • SalieriSalieri
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    If the good Father would post something about that collection I'd appreciate it, as I think would many.

    About your GitHub idea, I think it's a good one, and one that I wish I'd could contribute to, I'm afraid I'm not a poet of any qualitie - I just, oddly enough, finished a metricization of Psalm I the other day (CM), but I'm sure it's just as much doggerel as Archbishop Parker's Psalter - especially since for some reason I couldn't find my RSV and I was basing it off of Douai.

    This is something that I'd very much be interested in, especially in my current position: If I can't sing the Introit from SEP, Willan or whatever, and have to do a 'hymn' that the people can sing, it'd be just as well to sing a Metrical psalm (or verse thereof) matching the Introit to a well-known tune. BTW, I experimented with Kathy and Chuck's Introit Hymns last Advent and Lent at the 4:00 Saturday 'Low Mass' (Sunday the 'High Mass'), and they seemed to go over well.
  • I'm no great poet, but I'd be happy to contribute my own couple of attempts at metrical psalmody into a crowd-source project. I could see such a project having some use... but whether it would prove useful enough to enough people to justify the effort, I'm afraid cannot tell!

    They needn't all be new compositions - if people find older (and non-copyright) versions that they think work particularly well then perhaps they could be included in the mix.

    One little request, if you do find the time to set something like this up, Adam: it would be nice if contributors could be permitted to share settings of "sizeable fragments" of a psalm, rather than hymns which necessarily translate the entire psalm...
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  • SalieriSalieri
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    This is something that I put together for this Sunday for my parish. A little late for this year, but use if you want.
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