Hymns in Minor Keys
  • StephenColbert
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    Any suggestions for traditional hymns for Ordinary Time or Assumption written in a minor key? After doing Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence at Mass, our pastor has requested more hymns in minor keys.
  • Jeffrey Quick
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    Leoni (vigorous hymn in a minor key), Windsor, Kingsfold, Fairest Lord Jesus (NOT St. Elizabeth, but the tune at 346 in the 1940 Episcopal hymnal), King's Weston
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  • Andrew Motyka
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    Morning Song
    Ebenezer!
  • hartleymartin
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    Hymn Tune Iste Confessor is a D minor hymn. A common text for this is "Father of Mercy, Lord of all creation"
  • Kathy
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    To my ear, both Morning Song and Kingsfold spend as much time in the relative major as in the minor key.
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    One has to ponder the pastor's acumen and request: wow, huh, whoa.
    Regarding the OP's request-just alternate COVENTRY CAROL and PASSION CHORALE.
    Oh, I forgot to add the ironic PARCE DOMINE.
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    spend as much time in the relative major as in the minor key.
    Yes, these, and even a few others ... but that is not a bad thing at all.

    I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the very sturdy C.M.D. tune LLANGOFFAN (642 in W III, 68 & 607 in the Hymnal 1982) which, in fact, has a (less often encountered) major key cognate, LLANFYLLIN.

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  • rogue63
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    The tune ARLINGTON is quite lovely. Likewise, DETROIT and RESTORATION. Rousing foot-stompers. WONDROUS LOVE, too.
  • hartleymartin
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    To ERHALT UNS, HERR: "The Glory of theae Forty Days" - a very good lenten hymn.
  • Liam
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    http://www.hymnary.org/tunes?qu=tuneKey:minor
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Try some modal stuff (chant hymns).

    When someone isn't a musician, you should never take their use of musical terms at face value. He doesn't want minor key music. He wants music that sounds like it belongs in church.
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  • CharlesW
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    I can't recall a specific title at the moment, but I remember that many of the old shape note hymns are in minor keys. A Google search would probably turn up a listing.
  • MarkThompson
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    Any suggestions for traditional hymns for Ordinary Time or Assumption written in a minor key? After doing Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence at Mass, our pastor has requested more hymns in minor keys.


    You know, if your pastor wants something that most people will regard as dreary-sounding, isn't this your perfect opportunity to suggest Gregorian chant?

    Only kidding! ... Well, sort of....
  • noel jones, aagonoel jones, aago
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    It would be helpful to create list of hymns that gradually dip more into the minor/modal scales that could lead to singing chant melodies transformed by harmonizing them as SATB and over a period of time, with a pastor like this, could easily transform the congregations expectations without saying a word. Then begin accompanying the SATB hymns that are actually chant with modal accompaniments and sing the chant in unison.

    After awhile, then sing them one by one in Latin.

    It's a wonderful way to go.
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  • matthewjmatthewj
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    Just sing ALL OF THE TEXTS to PICARDY!!!

    Purple bold.
  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    I'm with Adam on this: your pastor, unless he is a musician, likely doesn't completely understand what he's asking for. Someone likely came up to him after Mass and told him how much they like "minor keys" and how you as the musician "should do that more," probably also citing "increased participation" as a result of doing so.

    As much as what we hear from our Pastors, we must also consider what we don't hear, and realize that many specific musical requests (such as this, or requesting a specific instrument be used, etc) does not usually come from him, but some PIP who said something to him about it, which then turned into a mandate.
  • marajoymarajoy
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    Sort of like when my husband (who is an organist,) had his pastor come up to him and tell him to "add more sharps" to a song, so it would be more "energetic."
    Hmmm...
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Sharp, natural and flat are merely attitudes.
  • matthewjmatthewj
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    PLAY ALL OF THE NOTES SHARP
  • CharlesW
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    There is the idea out there, and I don't know where it came from, that something written in a key with sharps always sounds brighter. It can, but other factors, such as temperature and humidity affecting the pipes can also play a part in whether or not music sounds bright or rather thick. I am amazed at how the same piece sounds different on dry and sunny as opposed to rainy days. Perhaps that is what the pastor was getting at.
  • Andrew Motyka
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    Some of that might have to do with the tuning of your organ. Pipe organs are rarely equal-tempered, and the farther you get from C, the wonkier it can get.
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  • CharlesW
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    True. As I near the time for tuning, I find I have a flute celeste on the organ. There are no celestes on this instrument.
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  • SalieriSalieri
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    Chopin's Waltz in D-flat sounds a lot brighter when transposed to C-sharp.

    (I'll let the reader decide whether or not this is purple.)
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Most of you are too young to remember the famous jingle:
    Look sharp, feel sharp, B-sharp …
    And listen mister!
    How are you fixed for blades? (do you have many?)
    How are you fixed for blades? (you’d better check!)
    Please make sure you have enough –
    ‘cos a worn-out blade makes shaving mighty tough!
    How are you fixed for blades? (you’d better look!)
    Gillette Blue blades are neat!

    Beethoven's "Mass in C major, Op. 86" might have shed its reputation as a "long underrated masterpiece" if it had been written in B-sharp major.
  • AndrewK
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    Since when does Stephen Colbert frequent this forum?
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  • marajoymarajoy
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    There is the idea out there, and I don't know where it came from, that something written in a key with sharps always sounds brighter. It can, but other factors, such as temperature and humidity affecting the pipes can also play a part in whether or not music sounds bright or rather thick. I am amazed at how the same piece sounds different on dry and sunny as opposed to rainy days. Perhaps that is what the pastor was getting at.

    Lol, nope. (Pastor just thinks he knows more about music than he actually does!)
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