The index is available here:
http://content.ocp.org/shared/pdf/general/CP3index.pdf

It has many standard, traditional hymns, with clear, common harmonizations.

This breakthrough is not about the content of the hymnal, but rather about a new (at least for mainstream Catholic music publishers) method of distribution.

EDIT: apparently GIA does have this available. I had not received the memo.

I think there are enough traditional hymns in that book that if one were to use 2-3 hymns per weekend, this would certainly be enough.

matthewj

have you looked into other alternatives such as st michaels or the lumen christi or vII hymnal?

GIA its own app within which it is possible to purchase ebooks of their hymnals. However, you're not saving much money. I believe the price difference is a whopping $1.

https://www.giamusic.com/sacred_music/hymnals-ipad.cfm

We use OCP on a regular basis because its the throw away missal of choice at our church. I am constantly stopping myself from saying not so Christian things in front of my choir because of alterations of texts and happy clappy hymns. Its a cross I am forced to carry for the moment. So I would never recommend OCP to any one at any time.

Alterations of texts are so frustrating. Just got new hymnals and many texts are different. Are they really better now?

Well, in a lot of cases they did it to avoid the dread words "thou", "thee", and "thy".

To say nothing of "He", "Him", and "His".

Now, with everyone bringing his own e-book to Mass, soon ...

... we will be relieved of that necessity by having the whole schmear projected on a screen, saving us from the necessity of investing in e-books. Oh, wait ... they're in this to make money.

So the problem with the GIA one is that you cannot use it if you're not on an iProduct.

I want a PDF of Worship II and III on my desktop. Why won't GIA sell it to me!?

They don't even sell hard copies of Worship II anymore.

Why not make it available via PDF?

I'm betting it would be a HUGE SELLER.

!!!

>>Some of the service music in W2 can no longer be used licitly.

By Catholic parishes of the Latin Rite.

I'd be willing to bet that there are a number of Lutheran, Episcopalian, Methodist, and other mainline Protestant musicians who are annoyed at the difficulty of getting unrevised versions of Mass settings.

Just (you know) sayin'.

(Not that anyone at GIA or OCP ever listens to my MANY BRILLIANT SUGGESTIONS!)

After the new missal came out, I had to contact GIA to get orchestral scores of Mass of Creation for the 50th anniversary celebration of a priest's ordination. Not my favorite, but I did as I was asked. The lady I talked to at GIA told me they have the revised and older settings of MOC, because Lutherans, Episcopalians and others sometimes use it. So I don't think they trashed the older settings because of the new missal. The economics of reprinting an older hymnal could be another matter.

iPads for mass? Never. They would all be playing Angry Birds during the sermon.

I should point out the new missal was out but this was slightly before the official implementation date. I had to use the old mass settings.

this is very scary to me. Can you imagine for Easter Vigil before the lighting of the candles the nice glow of everyone's iThingy so they can read the music.

There's an app for that. Or will be. Will include a countdown, how many readings to go. Any church that cuts readings will automatically be reported to the Roman Liturgy Police and their Catholic church franchise to make money will be canceled.

Conjectures about reprinting W2

No need for conjectures, Chonak. I just checked with GIA's customer service. W2 is still in print: pew (Edition B), choir, low key accompaniment, guitar, and spiral accompaniment editions.

I don't know what GIA would do if it were to run out of the "Edition B." Would the BCDW require that GIA strip out service music which uses the formerly approved texts? I'm not sure.

One thing I would point out. Your statement "I suppose they might save a small amount on royalties," appears to betray some lack of knowledge about royalties.

The industry standard practice for hymnal royalties is 10% of the sales price of the book. So, since a copy of Worship II, Edition B, sells for $9.00, $.90 of that amount is paid out as royalties to the copyright owners, pro-rated according to the amount of copyrighted materials each contributor has in the book. (For a hymnal containing NAB scripture readings, the owners of the NAB bible translation by far get the largest share of the royalty pie.)

Now, say that GIA decided that they would reprint the pew edition of W2, Edition B, in the future, but only the hymns (no service music, no lectionary section), simply hymns nos. 1-313. Because of inflation over the past 39 years, a copy of the reprint of those 313 hymns would still sell for $9.00, and so $.90 would still be paid out as royalties. However, the number of contributors sharing in that royalty would be less, since service music and NAB scripture readings would no longer be contained in the book. The publisher still pays 10% in royalties, no matter what: whether the content changes, whether there is a price increase for the book, etc.

I should add that some hymnal publishers are wanting the industry standard royalty to be raised from 10% to 12.5%.

Just curious: why would the publishers want the percentage raised? It seems to lessen their share. Wonder what the reason could be.

COMPLETELY UNINFORMED CONJECTURE ALERT

Because the larger publishers can afford it, but their smaller competitors cannot.

Of course, all the contributors on this Forum would know that such a purchasable PDF most likely would not give the purchaser the right to print multiple hardcopies (for instance, for the parish choir) of anything in the PDF still under copyright, particularly copyrights of a third party (other than the seller of the PDF).

How does the OCP PDF handle third party copyrighted materials (if there are such in Choral Praise)? And why would a publisher make available the complete scores to, say, 900 pieces of music for $26, knowing that some purchasers would not be as scrupulous in complying with the law as the contributors to this Forum?

MaryAnn, you don't sound cheap. You sound practical to me. In my neck of the woods, the expenses incurred by any investment in the music come out of the pockets of the choir director. It is a real issue that informs to some extent the amount of new music we teach. I am very grateful for CMAA providing access to such great music for free. It allows me make my budget go much further than I would otherwise be able to.

I'm not sure of the details of how OCP has done it, but they have.

GIA has obviously begun going down this road with the iPad thing, but not everyone has an iPad... I have a simple, used, non-brand-name tablet that I can use to read PDFs, but cannot use iStuff on. I would hope that people would follow the copyright rules and buy as many copies as they used. I know that I'm not able to check what's in the OCP PDF at the moment, because I've only loaded it on my desktop in my office (and I'm at home presently). However, the convenience of PDF hymnals for music directors is something that cannot be underestimated. For each book that I have in PDF form, it means one less book stacked in front of me at my desk, which makes for a more aesthetically pleasing office, which makes the world a more beautiful place.

Catholic Publishers need to make the world a more beautiful place. One office at a time.

I am very curious what their stance on this is, since they clearly have figured out a way to make it work.

Adam, I too am curious. But I suspect that Choral Praise, 3rd edition, only contains OCP copyrights, and OCP did not have to deal with any other owners of copyright when they made that book available as an e-book. Also, the OP of this thread seems to be saying that OCP's e-book is a PDF. (Is it always the case that an e-book is a printable PDF?)

From an experience I had this afternoon, I"d have to say that things are not fully worked out between OCP and GIA. Fr. John Schiavone's "Amén. El Cuerpo de Cristo" is an OCP-copyrighted hymn. It's in three of the four hymnals GIA has published since 2011. Yet, it is not listed on One License. And when I checked the titles of other OCP-copyrighted hymns which have been included in GIA hymnals, I come up with zip.

So I'm wondering: when you get the GIA iPad app and download the Worship IV e-book, are the OCP-copyrighted items which are contained in the published edition of W4 also present in that e-book edition?

This may not be for you...... if you use a desktop or laptop computer.

(from the OCP website)

OCP mobile eBook!

•For use with iPad and Android tablets*

*Not intended for desktop/laptop or for printing/copying; slightly modified from original print version. Please note: the USCCB does not currently approve tablet devices for liturgical use (at ambo/pulpit).

I just checked the OCP PDF file and it includes GIA's materials - or at least the two I happened to check... Gather Us In and All Are Welcome.

Charles, if it is fine, it must be somewhere else! Deficit is our middle name! LOL.